This made me cry.

[Aggers]

I think sometimes we spend too much time dancing round the periphery and don't focus enough on the actual culprits. Which is why whole life imprisonment / death penalty should be the order of the day, not interminable public enquiries.

As I said in my opening post, I think the punishment should fit the crime. Over recent years we have listened
too much to the 'do-gooders' and have done away with Capital Punishment, Corporal Punishment, the Stocks,
the Birch, the Cane, all in the name of 'Human Rights'. The result is that crime has become the norm in much
of society today, so that you can't trust hardly anyone. Criminal behavior should not be tolerated, even if it
means installing something akin to the Gestapo. I feel very strongly about this, as you might guess.

PS - I know the Police say that crime rates are down - but they only refer to reported crimes. If all crimes were
reported the figures would be astronomical.

[Workingman]

Of course the punishment should fit the crime - always, but shouldn't we be creating a culture whereby potential crimes get noticed and reported earlier?

The cases mentioned by Ossie did a lot of damage to Social Services in the minds of the people, especially where trust is concerned, and it has never really gone away. There is a fear, and a lot of evidence, that once someone becomes involved with SS they can never escape, even though they might be totally innocent of any wrongdoing. Once tarred.........

My worry is that if people do not trust SS, rightly or wrongly, they will sit on their hands until it is too late. That has to change, the culture has to change, and that probably means that children's services have to change.

Then, of course, the punishments have to fit the crimes.

[cromwell]

There was a lot on this case last night on Sky. Early on the child sustained a broken arm and a GP reported this as a "non accidental injury". A "multi agency" meeting was called involving amongst others the police and the SS, and it was decided to take no action.
OK, that's it right there. If the broken arm was not accidental, it was done on purpose, and they decide to take no action.
Five months later, the SS closed their file on Daniel - NO surprise there.
I don't know if it's the same across the country but the SS around here have become notorious for closing files as quick as they can. They are dumping more and more responsibility onto the schools; I don't know if this is because they are snowed under with work or just idle.

[Aggers]

I don't know if this is because they are snowed under with work or just idle.

Or just too busy playing about twittering or fooling about with smartphones and other electronic gadgets.

People at work should be banned from using these gadgets . There's no discipline at work nowadays - but
of course, the bosses are doing it, too.

No wonder thing are going wrong.

[KateLMead]

This woman's other half was jailed three times for crime previously, deported? can't take that route his Uman Rites must be taken into account..
They will of course fail to receive the sentence deserved "DEATH", will probably given eight years out in four!!! Deportation? don't make me laugh, he or they could be back in Victoria station within a week.. One is lucky these days not to find a crooked lawyer, thankfully there are a number of good ones, but far too many whose only desire is to make money and who will pervert the course of justice for the sake of doing so..we have seen this over and over again.
The Head teacher left the school when the news came up of the child's neglect, guess what? walked in as head of another primary school.
Social Services, what an organisation millions wasted on paying these useless inept departments for neglect one tragic disaster after the next.
Our prisons are full fraudsters, rapists, murderers, burglars, what percentage I wonder are foreign.. Are they deported when freed. Are they hell..
Fire the lot in power responsible for this innocent child's horrendous death, from the teachers, social services, doctors in the hospital where he was eventually taken with his arm broken.
What a society we are living in where "Life is Considered so Cheap" We can weep all we like, and we do weep but the rot has truly got it's grip on society and our tears change nothing.

[saundra]

They have both been senttenced to life should mean life of hard labour

[Workingman]

No indication as yet as to what the minimum term will be.... it could be as low as 15 years.

[Rodo]

It has been stipulated that it will be a minimum of 30 years.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23544717

[TheOstrich]

I think a sentence of 30 years each before parole can be considered, is, given the range of tariffs today, an acceptable result - anything less would have been a travesty.

I know it's hardly the same, but locally (about a mile away), two weeks or so back, a young teenager was robbed of his BMX bicycle by a gang who also shot him in the neck with a BB gun in the course of the assault. I read today that the bike has been recovered from a local shop and the boy reunited with it, but the police have stated, in the light of that, that they "may" no longer be looking for the perpetrators.

WTF??

A boy is shot by a weapon in the course of a robbery - and the police "may" no longer looking for the perpetrators?

I hope there is an outcry over this. Otherwise it's West Midlands Police - derelict in their duties and not fit for purpose, in my book.

[cruiser2]

I know of a 14 year old girl who was attacked by a group of girls on a Saturday evening. The police did not take any action as the girls father is a sergeant in the police. The mother has found the names of the girls involved and is taking further action.
If I had seen that little boy, I would have taken some positive action.