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Re: Farage.

Postby miasmum » 17 May 2014, 23:17

Fair do's Frank.

I make no secret of the fact I have always voted Lib Dem and in the last general election I was so sure they would do well, but they didn't and why didn't they? Well I had a friend who always voted Lib Dem but voted Labour to keep the Conservatives out and another who always voted Lib Dem but voted Conservative to keep Labour out. Then people moan about what they get landed with. I moan about what I got landed with, but I am justified cos I didn't flipping vote for it
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Re: Farage.

Postby Kaz » 18 May 2014, 06:47

Shell I have always voted Lib Dem too, but won't be able to this time - I just cant get my head around Clegg's betrayal, as I see it :( :(

I haven't a clue who to go for now...................... :(
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Re: Farage.

Postby miasmum » 18 May 2014, 09:28

Me neither
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Re: Farage.

Postby Suff » 18 May 2014, 16:04

As I see it today, if you don't want the EU, your choices are:

Vote Conservative and be sure that you will get the EU
Vote Lib Dem and know that not only will you get the EU but that we'll do every stupid thing they ask us to
Vote Labour and know that not only will we get the EU, do every stupid thing that they ask us, but that we'll also give away every thing we have going for us and all our protectorates with people who are British citizens.

Or you can positively vote for the UKIP.

You think these stories are coming out because UKIP is NOT doing well? It is a panic shock tactic of the establishment, trying to mitigate the disaster that is surely coming.

Only Labour will be able to know that they did OK in this election and that will only be because their voters will be voting for them because they're Labour. Absolutely nothing to do with the EU or our relationship with the EU.

The most interesting thing about all of this is that they are trying exactly the same tactics with Salmond and the Scottish referendum. Say anything in panic, any slur, any way they can destroy the momentum by defaming someone. The huge difference is that the Scots are not deceived and won't be swayed. In fact the opposite is happening. Labour has been losing votes to SNP for decades now. This kind of radical negativeness is driving people to SNP in droves.

I'm sure that many people feel the way Cromwell does. I wonder when Cameron will bury the next government poll. The one on the EU referendum and it's likely results......

This country will only remain "free" so long as people keep it free. Dropping the underwear and bending over is never a good tactic for keeping a country free. Britain is one of the most free countries in the EU. That freedom is being eroded, year by year, by the EU and our lack of representation in it.

Just remember, over here in France it's Guilty until proven innocent. Also remember that the European Court of Justice works in Archaic French, not English or any other language and is based on French Law.

People know so little about the Country they refuse to separate from.

Country you say! Yes Country, the European Union which the Lisbon Treaty brought into being, with it's own president, Foreign secretary and embassies all over the world.

Opinions are good.

Opinions without knowledge are nothing more than dogma and, dear god, we've seen enough of that the UK with 13 years of Labour.....
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Re: Farage.

Postby cromwell » 18 May 2014, 17:10

Suff wrote:The most interesting thing about all of this is that they are trying exactly the same tactics with Salmond and the Scottish referendum. Say anything in panic, any slur, any way they can destroy the momentum by defaming someone.

I've noticed that Suff.
It's all -"Don't vote to leave the Union / the EU - THE BOGEY MAN WILL GET YOU!!!"

People have had enough of that, I think. What is the positive message for Scotland to stay in the Union? What is there in the EU to positively inspire European citizens? We're not hearing any positives at all.
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Re: Farage.

Postby KateLMead » 18 May 2014, 18:13

I agree with you both Suff and Cromwell, and yes Workingman included.
Vote for any of the three major parties and this country is lost.
They are all party to "Common Purpose" that is surreptitiously sitting in the background.
I am as stated voting UKIP. It's good to see a man truly of the people who regardless
of the filth being bandied against him and the party right left and centre
He still carries on with his rallying cry. Out of the EU other than as we were led to believe for business.
Time the crooks their produced their accounts /records of what is spent and on what. We know they
Get £300 a day for not attending meetings as the politicians "Lords and ladies " do in Westminster.sign in,
Half an hour later they leave. Taking money under false pretences. Remember when
Glynnis Kinnock was caught out (now a lady.. Ha ha ) she was furious and snapped "no comment."
So in other words we can all get stuffed
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Re: Farage.

Postby medsec222 » 18 May 2014, 18:44

I'm voting for UKIP as well Kate. I am totally fed up with the three main parties and their broken promises. This country to going down the pan. Tonight on the news apparently two prisoners have not returned to open prison after a day out - one of them a murderer. The public have been warned not to approach them, so why were they out on day release? As for Nigel not wanting to live next door to a gang of Romanians, perhaps he's had his pocket picked by Romanian gypsies whilst he has been strolling round Brussels. UKIP is a definite threat so the knives are out for him. People may not like what Nigel Farage has to say, but he doesn't hide his opinions behind weasely words like most of our expense-inflating MPs do.
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Re: Farage.

Postby Workingman » 18 May 2014, 21:36

Suff wrote:Also remember that the European Court of Justice works in Archaic French, not English or any other language and is based on French Law.


Actually, only the internal working language of the ECJ is French, and though its deliberations are made in French they are also translated into the language of the appellant. The Court's procedures are held in any language chosen by the appellant, so long as it an official language of the EU. The structure of the ECJ is a heavily modified version of the French Model with aspects of German and Netherlands structures built in. The basis for its legal operations and judgements, and then only as they apply to EU legislation, is a mish-mash of "old" European systems. All of these systems have Roman, Feudal, Napoleonic and Canon law in their genes and the ECJ has taken them all on board - it is not French.

That it is not based on British law is neither here nor there, it was set up long before we even joined the Common Market
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Re: Farage.

Postby Aggers » 18 May 2014, 21:51

I'm voting for UKIP.

Why?

Because I'm fed up with the three main parties. Al they do is look after themselves and their cronies.

and I don't want to be in the EU.
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Re: Farage.

Postby shazsha » 19 May 2014, 02:34

Well I certainly wont be voting UKIP because, and I know it isn't fashionable to say it, I believe that a heck of a lot of it's members are racist bigots.

Whether the media have got the knives out for the UKIP, or not, the fact is they are what they are being accused of and the proof is there to back up the claims.

I certainly understand why people don't want to vote for any of the main three parties and UKIP will, in a lot of cases, be a protest vote but there is no way that I could vote for them and be happy with my conscience.

I have actually looked at the facebook pages of some of the UKIP and the media hasn't been hallucinating/inventing stories.

Some of their comments about Islam, Judaism, gays and women are just so wrong and I can't just ignore them.

Please don't rush to assure me you aren't a racist as I am certainly not implying that.I just don't understand how people can ignore the background and views of many of the UKIP and give them a vote.
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