Policy?

[Suff]

Or damage limitation?

What does a politician say to you when you put a gun to his head?

Answer. Anything you want to hear.

What does he do when you put your gun down and walk away from it?

Answer: Whatever the hell he wants. Usually TO You for having the temerity to threaten him.

The answer to this dilemma? Don't threaten, don't bluster. Just shoot the B'stard. In this case shooting him is voting UKIP.....

[cromwell]

He's come out with so much garbage on this subject it's rather difficult to take him seriously.

Anyhow, last year their were more non-EU immigrants than EU ones. How is this happening?

[TheOstrich]

I think that the message may have finally got through to Cameron that all those disaffected Tories who are now supporting Ukip quite simply cannot be wheedled (i.e. lied) into returning to the fold. Therefore, he can now say what he really wants to say, which is principally pro-EU, pro-immigration, and pro big business.

[Suff]

Anyhow, last year their were more non-EU immigrants than EU ones. How is this happening?

Well, if I recall correctly, Farage said that we'd be inundated with Romanians and Bulgarians. So the stats "had" to say he was wrong. Sadly frigging the stats means they have to show up some time and; wonder of wonders:

We're swimming in Romanians
And we're swimming in Bulgarians

Now how much effort did it take to work that one out? We pay the highest wages in the EU, have the lowest barrier to starting working and people can chop and change jobs at a whim.....

Live by the stats, die by the stats.... Cameron is trying desperately to keep his MP's who see UKIP in the wingmirror, carrying a large club. I doubt he's going to win this battle. He needs to state "referendum in 2015" and "I will recommend we leave". In the absence of that, he's doing nothing but warming the atmosphere a miniscule amount....

What I'm really waiting for is the first Labour MP to jump ship. If he wins as UKIP, that'll shake them all....

[Workingman]

What I have found amusing in all of this is that what Cameron now proposes have always been available in the EU laws.

It is a fact that those laws have been allowed to slip over the decades so that what we have now has become the de facto method of administering those laws. Other EU states already do similar to what Cameron wants to do, but they do not make such a fuss about things.

Labour's relaxed attitude to benefits for immigrants started all this.

[Suff]

It is what I've said for a very long time. We won't engage, we won't understand the rules or use them to our benefit. We keep on doing UK things instead of EU things and we won't use the system.

Then when it goes horribly wrong we blame the EU. Honestly we'd be better off out.

The biggest problem with the EU is that in so many ways the UK was leading the rest of the EU who were stuck in post WWII mode and had not moved on. Because the UK is the way it is, the rest of the EU would do anything, promote any stupid law, rather than align with the UK.

So why stay as a political union. We could benefit from the market as the Swiss are doing. But our politicians are scared to stand alone on the world stage once more....

I might note that the world doesn't come to the EU for support in doing things, they come to the UK. After all, who would point to Germany as the shining light of reason, even today, when taking violent actions on the world stage????