"British jobs for British workers."

[Workingman]

We must all surely remember those fine words from the then PM, Gordon Brown. They were widely reported in a gleeful media to much cheering, back slapping and nodding of wise heads. It was about time, something had to be done, everybody agreed.

Today it is reported the Nigel Farage has said much the same thing, and guess what, he is a racist, pure and simple.

[Aggers]

I get sick and tired of all the double talk by politicians on this subject.

Personally, I don't even accept that some of the people who are categorised as 'English'
or 'British' are that. I cannot accept that, just because they have lived here a certain
period of time, or were born here, they can be called that. If I had taken my wife on
holiday to China and she had a premature birth, to say that my offspring was Chinese
is, to my mind, just stupid. If a puppy dog happened to be born in a stable, it wouldn't
be called a horse, would it?

(I know my views will be considered odd. I happen to be an odd person)

[TheOstrich]

Have you got a link to that, WM ... or is it anything to do with this?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -fear-ukip

I think Farage is spot on - we have got a Moslem fifth column in this country, albeit a small one at the moment. I beleive that they are a community, growing exponentially in numbers, that ultimately wants to impose its values on us rather than integrate and adopt ours.

I also note (not without some suspicion) that Trevor Phillips has spent this week trying to reinvent himself ......

[Workingman]

A link to the story. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31846453

I am not saying that I totally agree with Farage, as far as I am concerned it should be the best person for the job. However, employment agencies have set up offices in Eastern European countries offering work in the UK to those communities and therefore bypassing those of us living here. That cannot be right and both they and the employers using those workers should be prosecuted, or if that is not possible, named and shamed in the biggest brightest lights available.

As for the Moslem Fifth Column piece, it is something I have been saying for a long time. Councils, the police, media and politicians all know it exists, but are afraid to tackle it.

[Aggers]

As for the Muslim Fifth Column piece, it is something I have been saying
for a long time. Councils, the police, media and politicians all know it
exists, but are afraid to tackle it.

Why do you think they are afraid to tackle it? Can't they see that the
longer they procrastinate the more difficult the problem will become?

What we need is politicians to whom the future well-being of this country
is their top priority and who have the courage to take whatever action is
necessary. Oh, for another Churchill.

[Suff]

Aggers, this is the modern disease. Short Termism. So long as it does not explode when they are currently in office, then they don't care.

As for the agencies in other countries? This is what the EU is ALL about. It is the same in the US too. They hire from the places with an excess of talent and a dearth of work for them at rates below those in the wealthy states.

If you are in the EU, support the EU and do not support this kind of Labour market, then you should not be in the EU because you do not understand it. There is simply no other way to put it. Anyone who does not like cheap EU resources coming to the UK and taking the jobs the UK people won't or can't do, should not be voting anything other than UKIP in the next election.

I work around the world because my skills are in demand. There is a glut of my skills in the UK right now, mainly because the UK has sucked in these skills from all over the EU and the world with our stupidly open borders and relatively high wages. But outside the UK, my skills are in demand. That's how it works and that is why I don't want the EU for the UK. Even if it does make my life more difficult. Sadly those who like cheap holidays in Spain and don't care what it does to the UK have a much bigger voice than I do....

[Workingman]

There are two types of agencies at work here. One type seeks out those with skills and qualifications for which there might be a shortage in the UK. The other is purely looking for cheap labour.

I have already said what I would do about the second type and the companies who use such workers and I stand by that. As for the first type I would firstly ask them what searches they have done within the UK and also to prove such shortages exist. There would not be an open door.

In both cases I would only allow workers in as expatriates and for their every tab to be picked up by their employers. Those would include health insurance, housing costs, transport costs and schooling for any children they bring in. Once their contracts expired I would expect/make them go home.

Aggers, the reason the fifth column will not be tackled is because the authorities fear what doing so would bring to the streets, and we all know what I mean. The pot is boiling and if nothing is done the lid will blow anyway.

[Suff]

Yes but the point is still the same. The EU is supposed to be a single Labour market. This is no different from brining in Teuchters from the west coast of Scotland to work in English fields or highly educated Scots graduates to do computer work in London, all for a discount of the Scots cost of living over the English.

That's the point I'm making. It is part and parcel of being a member of the EU and we need to get used to it. I use it to my advantage but I would be happy to lose that advantage if it helped the UK.

Bringing in Indians to do IT work or Africans to do cheap semi skilled labour is an entirely different matter and should be stopped as long as we don't have a huge pile of workers in the UK to do the same work.

[Workingman]

This is no different from brining in Teuchters from the west coast of Scotland to work in English fields or highly educated Scots graduates to do computer work in London.

There is a world of difference. We are all from the same Union, free to roam and work anywhere in the Union, tied by hundreds of years of shared achievements and using the same basic social systems and coinage, with minor differences.

The EU single labour market is being used, and abused, by UK companies for their own ends. It is also being used by politicians to excuse their ineffective methods of constraining that abuse. There are rules within the EU capable of limiting unfettered migration, and other countries use them to that end. You will have to ask our own politicians why those methods are not used. Try Labour, they opened the gates.

[Suff]

When the new 10 joined the EU and the core EU Governments blocked workers from travelling freely for 7 years, Bosh and Siemens went to the German Government and told them this.

Our workers will take a cut in wages, benefits and an increase in working hours. If they do not, then we will take the cost of moving our manufacturing to the Eastern European countries. Oh and by the way, you are going to tell the unions and you are going to make it stick, not us.

The German government did as it was asked. Because if they had not, German manufacturing and German jobs would have moved to these Eastern European countries.

Joining so many millions of people, on low wages with low expectations, to the EU, was a deflationary measure to EU wages. Whether the work went to the countries or the workers came to the work, was irrelevant in general terms. The end result was sure, namely that jobs would be lost and unemployment would rack up in the wealthier nations.

Whether agencies set up to bring these workers over or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the EU is a single market and companies can shop for workers from wherever they chose at a price that they choose. We simply can't be isolationist in such a Union. It doesn't matter if the currency is the same (which it is for most of the EU), or whether it has been going on for 300 days or 300 years, the impact is the same. Once the documents are signed, the reality is there.

The fact that our politicians have been lying their asses off and have created "get out" clauses to try and isolate themselves, is a short term irrelevancy. If we want to be in the EU, this is our future.

If we don't want this as our future, then we don't want to be in the EU.

It is a very simple Binary Decision. Yes/No. Binary has no third option.