Integration?

[cromwell]

To some extent it may depend of whereabouts you live in the country to how you regard the subject of integration, or at least how difficult it could be.

Here in West Yorkshire the local ethnic Pakistani community is largely drawn from a few areas of Pakistan, like Mirpur and Kashmir. The people from this area have lived in Yorkshire towns like Wakefield, Dewsbury, Bradford and Keighley since the 1950's. There hasn't been much integration in 60 years. The community is very clannish.

Third generation British Pakistanis still speak Urdu at home. First cousins regularly marry.
A few years ago on Look North an elderly Pakistani lady was interviewed. She'd been here since 1958. Didn't speak one word of English, had to have an interpreter.
In a domestic violence case a few years ago one Pakistani woman had been kept so isolated during her 17 year marriage she didn't even know what UK money looked like; her husband had kept her a virtual prisoner in the house.
In this community women are kept away from outsiders, certainly as far as friendship / dating is concerned. Not only is going out with a white boy unthinkable, going out with anyone from outside the local community is. One recently arrived Muslim asylum seeker from the middle east didn't realise this and asked a local Pakistani girl out. The next day he was beaten unconscious by the girl's male relatives.
I used to work with a couple of ethnic Pakistani men with no issues, in fact we were always friendly. But when one told me that if he had girl children they would not be allowed to marry a white man I couldn't help but reflect what would happen if I'd said the same thing in reverse.

So I don't think Mr Cameron realises the scale of the task. In other areas of the UK things might be easier, but around here he has his work cut out, and then some.

[Workingman]

The problem is that a lot of these problem solving focus groups never rub up against the actual problem. There is a lot of book learning, seminar intelligence and round table talks.

I would love to send them in pairs down Harehills Road just after dusk to make their way to their rented two-up, two-down where they would live for a few months.

[Suff]

The simple fact of the matter is that this is doomed to failure. Partially for the reasons mentioned above, especially for the reasons Cromwell mentioned, which I can corroborate from experience in my own family; but most of all from one single fact.

Those who would be charged with implementing this fall into two categories:

1. They don't believe a word of what Cameron is saying and think that things are OK as they are
2. A good proportion of the people in the civil service who would have to implement this are actually from the culture and are working very hard to perpetuate it. Therefore would do everything they could to undermine it.

The civil service is now riddled with Islamic people who are using Nepotism to further their own races control over what the civil service does and how it acts towards their community.

This initiative will die a strangled death at birth because the people who would be needed to implement it are actively excluded from the positions which are required to make it happen.

Everyone on this board will either have heard or seen written the name of my cousin's father in law. When I talked to him, at the wedding, through his daughter as an interpreter, after 10 years of living in the UK, his attitude was both arrogant and unforgiving. Our society is trash because we don't have their values. End of story!

That attitude won't change. So long as it does not change, then these communities will continue to flourish and to grow. Because these communities believe our society is not "worthy" of respect, they will continue to carry out acts of violence and abuse against it.

That is the sad and sorry state of affairs today. It is far to late to "fix it in place" without the kind of radical action which would gain our nation censure from the modern world.

However things may change in the next decade. I'll talk about that in another post when I get the time to formulate my thoughts on it...

[KateLMead]

I was not surprised watching programmes like "how to get a Council House" ... Most of those applying for properties were black who were facing eviction, or demanding another property as they were dissatisfied with where they are living at the present time..
One Muslim man and his family who was throwing out his son daughter in law and children could not speak English, the father had to have a costly interpreter when visited, as did his son in the housing offices, the family have lived here since the 1950's . What I found amazing the mass majority of workers in senior and lesser positions in the Council's housing associations offices are Black and Muslims I mentioned one of my late husbands old Telegraphs in 1956 it was suggested in Westminster that 'all immigrants should be sterilised following giving birth to two children.!!!!. Could you imagine the kick back if this was even mentioned today?