Poor Holidaymakers.

[KateLMead]

Of course one feels sorry for the thousands of luxury holiday makers stuck in Sharm el Sheik, not knowing when they will be on safe ground again. The screaming and shouting their demands since their holidays have been ruined by the atrocity of the suspected terrorists attack on the Russian plane..
This situation shows their concerns and anger wondering when they will be safely ensconced in their own homes it vividly brings pictures to my mind of the terrible conditions of those with children and babies, surviving (just) in inhuman situations, exhausted, hungry, cold, dying, sleeping in uncivilised conditions if they are lucky beneath canvas, wandering from country to country seeking sanctuary.
There is room for those with babies and children here if they block those like the young males who refused to give information other than the fact they are under 18 (the authorities believe they are older) however they place them in a children's home where allegedly four of them RAPE a young teenage resident.. In court two were freed, two are on bail (I believe) until the New Year. They demanded their Uman Rites and they have got them!!!! Like all the rest who manage to fool those in immigration.
What a damned mess this country is in, criminals, gang masters, paedophiles, rapists all welcomes "Human Rights again."
Keep the men out, return them to their own countries to fight the terrorists who they claim have forced them to escape..
Allow the vulnerable women and their young ones in, the way the innocent are being made to suffer is a total nightmare not only to the sufferers but to the onlookers who have a heart.

[miasmum]

I don't have a lot of sympathy for them.

We had to live out of suitcases, didn't know when we would get home, when Luke was in hospital.

We had the added stress of worrying about Luke, plus we had to pay for our stay, our food and all our drinks.

They'll get home soon enough and be none the worse for it

[TheOstrich]

Fully agree with MM - the holidaymakers should be grateful that the Government cares enough about their safety that it has sent security advisers to Sharm-el-Sheik and arranged for their supervised return to the UK. If the holidaymakers want to vent their frustration, turn it on the Egyptians who are lax in security and blocking the charter companies from landing flights to take them home.

As for allowing vulnerable refugees into this country, sorry Kate, absolutely no way! As soon as they are over here, the rest of their families, including the men, will be clamouring to be let in - human rights and all that. We are effectively facing a civilisational war at the moment, let's make no mistake about it, and we need to remain resolute.

Especially in the face of people with an agenda like Sutherland:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... ns-warning

Cameron is playing a blinder, and will be vindicated when we see Germany and Sweden finally descend into chaos. Sumpte in Germany - the village of around 100 citizens now swamped with 1,000 asylum seekers. If you were a Sumpte resident, and don't forget you've had absolutely no say in any of this, how would you be feeling?

[KateLMead]

I have said I would take a mother and child, my daughter goes mad every time I mention it, and I keep getting "you are 82 not 22' 32 or even 42. Yasmin my youngest who I adopted in Indonesia, a scrap of humanity now 42 a wonderful mother of two, works for Shelter, went to Sharm El Sheikh with her family, numerous times..I was always very uncomfortable until they returned home.
.if we refused sanctuary to the male chancers, many of whom are not to be trusted and are criminals out of this country, and if Cameron is serious about allowing a certain number to come here, they could be the women and children who tug on my heartstrings every time I see them on TV.
We should also bear in mind the B'Liar created the horrific bloodshed in the Middle East and I predicted his doing so would turn the Middle East into a blood bath following his illegal war on Iraq, where he caused the deaths and maiming of thousands of men women and children 'never mentioned' we owe it to take in some of those who are abandoned trying to escape the bloodshed. And they include Interpreters with children risking their lives working for the British "refused entry"

[Aggers]

Kate, my dear, you are back here with a vengeance
and it's lovely to read your common-sense and forthright statements,
which I completely agree with.

I just wish there were more people about who felt like you and were
not afraid to speak out.

[Workingman]

Regarding the "poor" holidaymakers....

Anyone would think that the downing of the Russian Airbus, which killed 224 poor souls don't forget, was known about in advance and that we did not prepare.

The holidaymakers "demand" to be guaranteed a safe journey home, yet they moan, very loudly and threateningly, about having to go through the processes to do just that.

A more ungrateful cohort of people I cannot imagine at this time.

"You are in Egypt and we are having to work within Egyptian rules and regulations. If you do not like that go moan to the Egyptians, but do not abuse the airline and embassy staff trying to help you get home safely. If you do you go to the back of the queue. Got it?"

That would be my message.

[Kaz]

Goodness, you are all a bit harsh IMO. Many of the holidaymakers were saying that they understood perfectly why the delay was necessary, however they were being kept totally in the dark s to what was happening, and it was the lack of information and lack of help from the consulate that was difficult.

It isn't a competition, is it? Things are harder for group A, so when group B get problems they shouldn't complain? I would have been upset to be kept hanging around an airport not knowing what was happening..............

[miasmum]

The family I was relating too were on the news this morning, moaning their children were having to live out of suitcases, they couldn't guarantee whether they would get fed a proper meal, they didn't know when they would be home.

Sorry, but thats the risk you take when you go abroad, delays often happen, and as I said at least they will be "fully" reimbursed.

[Workingman]

Kaz, It might sound harsh, but sometimes no news is the news. Being told every hour, on the hour, that there is nothing to add to the previous statement helps nobody. It can lead to further frustrations, especially among those already spitting venom at innocent staff, as was seen on the news.

I certainly would not have wanted to be a member of staff announcing that the Egyptians had refused landing rights to 21 of the 29 planned repatriation flights and that they had to turn back or park in Cyprus. The potential for things to get totally out of hand would not be worth it. Attempting to be diplomatic, even if it meant being economical with the truth would be a much better bet.

It is a sad fact of life, but sometimes tough action is needed. Taking somebody to one side and telling them straight that if they do not cool down or they will go to the back can, and often does, work.

The bottom line is that they all want to get back safely and everything is being done to achieve that. It might cause some personal inconveniences, but so what?

[Kaz]

I still think this is pretty harsh, a lot of those people will have saved all year for that holiday, and worked hard for it. I would also be worried if I didn't know where my children were going to be sleeping that night, or when they'd be fed!

This smacks of "Well they went on a nice holiday, so they deserve it!"

I am not condoning bad behaviour to airport staff BTW, but I do sympathise with their concerns...........