How low can "Remain" stoop?

[Workingman]

These people are supposed to be campaigning for my side of the debate yet all I hear from them is negative. In recent weeks we have had the shock to the economy, a lack of co-operation on security, damage to the future of our youth all courtesy of the BBC falling over itself to promote any anti-Brexit story.

Today it runs with an interview with former Cabinet Secretary and ex Civil Servant, Gus O'Donnell. He is now claiming that Brexit negotiations could take up to a decade to conclude, leaving the UK in a trade limbo. He cites Greenland's exit saying that it has a population smaller than Croydon and that fishing was its only issue, but that its exit took three years to negotiate.

My take is that the Croydon/fishing scenario is precisely why the negotiations took so long. There was nothing the Greenlanders could do to force the EU to the negotiating table. The UK is a totally different animal. It is the fifth largest economy on the planet and a hugely significant trading partner within the EU. When the UK 'invites' the Eurocrats to the table they will turn up in their droves.

If people in Remain do not start telling the truth I will abstain from the whole thing.

[TheOstrich]

Oh, forget all the "Remain"'s political whinging, WM.

On a much more positive note, I had a very nice letter yesterday from a Mr Hargreaves on behalf of Leave.EU offering to sell me a "Brexit" t-shirt in any of four colours and in size XXL for only £9.99 + postage and packing.
Bit of a bargain!

https://leave.eu/en/shop

[cromwell]

I was expecting lots of lies from the Remain camp, after all they've been lying for an awfully long time.
What I wasn't expecting was the stupidity. Nicky Morgan claiming that inter-railing around Europe would be more difficult for students? The scheme started before we joined.

We will be in more danger because European security services won't share information with us? Interpol started in the 1920's!

If we stay in Europe it shouldn't be just because of the dollars. There should be some sort of inspiring message and vision that this is our future. I've never heard such a message, nor do I expect to.

[Workingman]

If we stay in Europe it shouldn't be just because of the dollars. There should be some sort of inspiring message and vision that this is our future. I've never heard such a message, nor do I expect to.

Nor me!

Ossie, I got the letter as well. It's in the bin.

[TheOstrich]

It's in the bin.

[cruiser2]

None of the parties have published any facts to show what the difference will be if we stay in or out.
This should be under different headings such as immigration, exports both to Europe and the rest of the world, overseas aid, climate change. There are others which should be included.
The bad points as well as the good ones must be included with the voice of the man in the street included as politicians only give waffle.

[KateLMead]

None of the parties have published any facts to show what the difference will be if we stay in or out.
This should be under different headings such as immigration, exports both to Europe and the rest of the world, overseas aid, climate change. There are others which should be included.
The bad points as well as the good ones must be included with the voice of the man in the street included as politicians only give waffle.

Me without hesitation voting, UKIP.

[medsec222]

I'm past caring about the EU. I will be voting with my
gut instinct and it will be Out.

[Workingman]

None of the parties have published any facts to show what the difference will be if we stay in or out.

They are out there but you will have to read through dozens of tedious articles to find any.

I'm past caring about the EU. I will be voting with my gut instinct and it will be Out.

Meds, because of what Cruiser mentions that will be the way a lot of votes go. For many people it will come down to which side's propaganda they believe the most.

[Suff]

Meds, because of what Cruiser mentions that will be the way a lot of votes go. For many people it will come down to which side's propaganda they believe the most.

Or how untenable and totally barking the remain group make themselves seem.

As Tebbit said, the scare tactics that Remain are using are changing the base perceptions of many who would like to stay. They are asking themselves just exactly who we are joined with in the EU. If they are such an unreasonable bunch of female sexual organs, what the hell are we doing even attempting to become part of their little gang????

Given that the fit of pique, intransigence and general "child tantrum" behaviour, of which remain is accusing our "great partners in the EU"; has it's roots in an essential truth. Whether or not the actual scale of this intransigence and child like behaviour is correct or not. Many are beginning to question the base of their assumptions of what the EU is and what we are doing in it.

My take on it? Go for it Remain. Make us believe the EU would strap itself in explosives and blow themselves to hell and gone, so long as they take the UK with them.

I believe that this is truer to the character of the EU than their belief that it is some benign collection of "nations" who are working together for the benefit of all!!!

Stoop lower, Stoop lower, go for it!!

I'm also wondering when someone is going to mention that by trying to do down the ability and strength of the UK economy, they are lowering the value of the £. Which is very good for exports to the rest of the world. Note, not the Euro Zone, their economy is in such a mess that they can't afford what we need to sell. Sadly I don't believe we'll have a solid economic report on that before the vote.