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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby pederito1 » 23 Jun 2016, 08:18

Actually a few people voting at my polling place this morning, fingers crossed and I won`t put the Bolly away yet. :)
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby cromwell » 23 Jun 2016, 11:53

Firstly I'd just like to say that I appreciate this place because even though we may get a bit het up at times, debate is usually polite, with one side listening to the other.

This isn't the case everywhere, to put it mildly. I am on another forum (not DD) where the amount of hate and venom is just staggering. These people are in the main Remainers, women and in good paying jobs. They use the worst language whilst describing "hateful" people like Johnson and Farage, whilst being completely unaware that they are filled with hate themselves.

This actually worries me, because regardless of the outcome this referendum has revealed that we are a divided and unhappy country where seething anger is not far below the surface. Whoever wins, large numbers of the losers aren't going to accept the result. It especially bothers me also to see students - who should be learning how to think for themselves - find it so difficult to participate in a composed manner in a debate. They very quickly seem to lose their rag and start going red in the face, shouting and bawling, jabbing their fingers and just repeating slogans.

The referendum campaign has been a revelation, but not a happy one - so thank the Lord for VV!
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Workingman » 23 Jun 2016, 12:16

Cromwell wrote:Whoever wins, large numbers of the losers aren't going to accept the result.

How true, how true. That is what I was hinting at when I said that a small majority from a low turnout could be more problematic than anything said or done by either side of the campaign.

Cromwell, you have already mentioned the number of hot heads out there. I can already hear the arguments that: "you only got x votes from a y turnout meang that z% are not on your side".

I am hoping for a HUGE turnout and then a massive win, for either side, so we avoid all that.

Fingers crossed.

Also agree with you re VV.
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Suff » 23 Jun 2016, 12:31

Agree Crommers, VV is a very polite place.

Even in the family we have more radical ranting than we have here. There are arguments on both sides but you would not think so from the slognaising and "on message" ranting....
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Kaz » 23 Jun 2016, 14:52

It's lovely to know you are happy here - VV is a comfortable and polite place to be, and hopefully will always be so :) We do have a fair range of political opinion, for instance I am well aware that I am far more left-wing than most, but the debate here never gets personal 8-) :)
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Suff » 23 Jun 2016, 15:42

I'm wondering how much the storms will impact the crucial London vote?? There were flights cancelled from Edinburgh today so it has to have been pretty bad. Whether it's crews not able to get in or not I don't know, all I know is that Edinburgh airport was filling up with people who couldn't travel and not all of them were going to France.
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Suff » 23 Jun 2016, 16:58

Talking to Mrs S, my grandson has been doing some surfing of the undecided on the boards he visits. Pretty much everyone he has seen who was undecided is now a Leave.....

I'm still not sure how that will play out. My natural pessimism overrides all..
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby TheOstrich » 23 Jun 2016, 18:37

I think if there is one think I have "learned" in this whole affair, (as a confirmed Brexiter now getting resigned to a Remain win after a few heady days), it is how the Scottish Nationalists must have felt when Stay sneaked the vote north of the border last year.

I now have much more "sympathy" for them than I did at the time of the Scottish Referendum, and as a result, I have decided that the following is reinstated to the menu .......

http://www.grantsfoods.com/grants-haggis/

Got two cans in from Asda and will duly feast at the weekend.

Enjoy! :mrgreen:
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Re: Nearly over, all bar the bitching.

Postby Suff » 23 Jun 2016, 18:47

Perhaps you will understand their fury when, on Tuesday, as scheduled, the summit starts to dismantle or degrade what they promised to Cameron???

Then your journey will be complete... :lol: :lol: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :twisted: :twisted:
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