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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby TheOstrich » 27 Jul 2016, 11:27

Workingman wrote:Do all employers and other 'interested parties' monitor Twitbook and other unsocial media 24/7 hoping to find postings they find offensive on behalf of their 'correct thinking' friends in order to punish those posters? This is what appears to be happening.


You're right, unfortunately - yes, it's certainly happening out there. More than one poster on another forum I frequent carries, in their signature box, a disclaimer that "my views are mine and don't reflect those of my employer" ..... it's a chat forum but targeted around a particular industry, no names, no packdrill, and I believe there have been issues in the past with employers taking exception to comments.

Probably wouldn't happen on ARSSE or Rum Ration, though, as Suff indicated earlier .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Kaz » 27 Jul 2016, 16:11

We aren't going to agree on this one, old friend :) She's paid 80k pa to promote the UK, and should have kept her mouth shut.

In answer to another point you made, yes employers do check out potential employees' FB and Twitter accounts, like it or not it's the way of the world. Can't say I like it much myself, but there it is!
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Workingman » 27 Jul 2016, 16:55

Oi, less of the 'old'. :lol:

I just find it a bit distasteful and a bit East Germany Stasi.
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby AggersAgain » 27 Jul 2016, 18:54

I think that remarks like that are in bad taste, whether is in regard to a prince or to a commoner.

I wouldn't continue with Vocal Voices if remarks like that were commonplace here.
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Suff » 27 Jul 2016, 18:57

Kaz, WM and I are from the "slipipery slope" viewpoint. I don't care if I like her or if I like what she said, unless she has a clause in her contract which either states that all her private statements must be in line with the organisation, or, that all her statements, private or public, must be approved by the organisation, then this is wrong. I don't care if she's paid twoppence or 20m a year, it does not matter and it does not change a thing, it's still wrong.

You see this is where I differ from a lot of people. I don't have a monetary based bias about who can say what and what the implications are. If someone is paid £20k a year and does something wrong then they suffer for it. If someone is paid £200k per year and does something wrong, it is not more wrong, it is the same and both should be censured for it. Granted the size of the censure will vary with the level of responsibility, but they are both censured.

What a lot of British people don't realise is that virtually no employer in the mainland EU would try this. The Works Councils would be down on them like a ton of bricks and the governments would stand behind them.

When all the Brexit is over and done with, the rest of the EU will heave a sigh of relief that the "Anglo Saxon" disease is safely isolated on their little group of islands. Because this stuff is where they have been putting up with us for decades. Never mind the fact that we've been putting up with 10 times as much as they have, in this instance they have more of the right of it than we do.

Labour goes on and on about "workers rights", but Labourites are fast enough to pull the plug if they think that it will damage them....

So whilst I shrug my shoulders, put up with it and adjust my own life to avoid it; I don't accept it as right. I just accept it is.
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Kaz » 27 Jul 2016, 19:34

Old as in known each other a long time, you 'nana :roll: :lol:

Suff I don't really like it either, but it is what it is and she should have been savvy enough to realise it :?
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Kaz » 27 Jul 2016, 19:35

AggersAgain wrote:I think that remarks like that are in bad taste, whether is in regard to a prince or to a commoner.

I wouldn't continue with Vocal Voices if remarks like that were commonplace here.


They are poor taste, aren't they Aggers? Especially in relation to small child xx
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Kate1933 » 31 Jul 2016, 17:51

Kaz wrote:I'm not taking it the wrong way at all Frank, it doesn't affect me enough to get upset about it. I think she must be a deeply unpleasant woman to use such swear words about a 3 year old boy, whoever he is!



I could not agree more Kaz, the Royals had the misfortune to be born Royals, some we could do without, a good example Andrew and Cammila y, however there is a line to be drawn when it comes to attacking a three year old. Pretty sick in my opinion.
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Re: Free speech, eh?

Postby Workingman » 31 Jul 2016, 18:40

I do agree that to attack a 3yr-old is downright disgusting, but that is NOT what she did.

Her words were: "White privilege. That cheeky grin is the innate knowledge he's royal, rich, advantaged and will never know *any* difficulties or hardships in life.

"Let's find photos of 3yo Syrian refugee children and see if they look alike, eh?"

He is white, he is privileged. Even at age three he will already knows that he is Royal, it will be drummed into him at every turn, he will also see the riches all around him and the advantage he has over his servants and other non-Royals. Unless there is some form of Republican revolution he will not have any difficulties or hardships in life.

What the woman said does not even come close to being an attack: it is the truth. When she asked us to look at pictures of 3 yr-old refugees and compare the two sets of photos she has a point, a fair point.

For someone in her position the woman said something likely to be controversial, and she said it in the wrong place, but she made it clear they were her personal views. There is no excuse for the authorities, the media, and others, to hound her to the ends of the earth. She has every right, enshrined in law, to hold those views. By all means disagree with her, criticise her, and me, but please do not make her out to be the Devil incarnate.
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