Let them rest in peace.

[miasmum]

I agree with you Suff. Those that tried to cover things up yes they are guilty, but did that senior police officer get out of bed that day intending to kill 95 people, no.

[cromwell]

Even in another twenty years Hillsborough will still be being brought up imo.

[miasmum]

I have thought long and hard whether to ask this, but here goes......

Do you think it would have been the same if it had been another team and not Liverpool.

[Osc]

Possibly - maybe one of the "harder" London teams. Certainly the role played by some of the media after Hillsborough was beyond disgusting.

[Workingman]

Do you think it would have been the same if it had been another team and not Liverpool.

A question asked up and down the land as far as fans of some clubs are concerned. The FA and sections of the media have their "Darling" clubs that can, apparently, do no wrong; Liverpool is one of them.

At the other end there are Leeds Utd, Millwall, Charlton, Stoke, MK Dons, Chelsea.....

But that is no longer the point. The incident in itself was an unforeseen accident, one that nobody could have predicted. Had those involved, all of them, fans included, put their hands up and admitted that the case could have been closed decades ago.

[TheOstrich]

It could have been any club - it was an "accident" literally waiting to happen. Not unlike Grenfell Tower, in a way. There was no concept of Health and Safety back then; you had huge boisterous crowds trying to cram into dilapidated stadiums, and I'm amazed, in a way, there weren't more frequent tragedies. There were 66 deaths following a crush at a match at Ibrox (Glasgow Rangers) in 1971, and nothing really changed. IMHO, you could easily have seen the same at Birmingham City's ground or on Aston Villa's Witton End bank. Today's all-seater stadia and heavy stewarding are a world apart from those days.

As for whether or not we would have seen the same emotional response if it had involved a team other than Liverpool - who knows? I can understand the emotion from grieving friends and relatives, but what I have always found hard to accept is the denial of any form of culpability from the fans. Football crowds in general in those days often behaved in a reckless manner; I've been in them and I know.

[victor]

I have always maintained that is so many fans turned without tickets -would it have happened-course Liverpool fans can do no wrong can they?

Have we all forgotten the loss of life and injuries that happened at HEYSEL( when Liverpool fans trying to get to Juventus fans) caused a wall to collapse leaving 39 Italian & Belgian dead and 600 injured,and a 5 year ban on English clubs in Europe.

Not the fault of Liverpool fans of course ,probably a shoddy bit of building

Never hear any Scousers mention anything about this

[cromwell]

It could have been any club - it was an "accident" literally waiting to happen. you had huge boisterous crowds trying to cram into dilapidated stadiums, and I'm amazed, in a way, there weren't more frequent tragedies.

Absolutely true Os. I went to a semi-final at Hillsborough in 1977 and it was a dilapidated dump even then. It was great to be standing on a terrace singing when you team was winning but there were times when people were lifted off their feet with the crush of people; it was actually dangerous but we just took it as normal, because it was then.

There had been previous incidents of fans spilling onto the pitch at Hilsborough semi finals in the 80's, one involved Spurs fans if memory serves.

Accident waiting to happen is right, and how the FA have avoided a charge I'll never know.

[Workingman]

Accident waiting to happen is right, and how the FA have avoided a charge I'll never know.

The $64 question never to be answered.

Other more modern neutral grounds were available: Elland Rd, Villa Park, Old Trafford and even Bramall Lane. Hillsborough?