Brexit white paper

[Workingman]

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I downloaded it and have done a deep scan and it easy to see why arch Brexiteer Gove was reported to have ripped his copy to shreds before binning it. To say it has been ill received would be an understatement. Many Brexiters, even those of a milder nature, are claiming a stitch-up.

It is not even anything like Brexit in name only (BRINO) it is more like Remain, but with one leg out the door. Reading comments from Brexiters of all shades shows that they are universally angry and hoping that the EU sticks to the same plan they have been bitterly complaining about for the past 16 months and throws the proposals out. May has single-handedly converted busloads of those who would have accepted some form of Soft Brexit into Hard Brexit disciples. There could be all sorts of troubles ahead.

One thing is now absolutely certain: we will not be getting a BrexRef2. Too many of those who were though to have had a change of mind, as well as some who did not vote the first time, will have hardened their stance now this has happened. Hard Brexit now looks to be on the cards.

[medsec222]

And don't forget the £40 billion we will have to cough up as part of the 'divorce settlement'. I just hope we don't crumble.

[Suff]

We've already crumbled. Well May has, advised by her EUphile civil servant.

WM is right though. People are going to be absolutely raging and if they tried to get a new referendum they'd get serious pain instead.

It's risible. The only thing to do is laugh. Then remember when someone asks for your vote!

[Workingman]

Meds, if you get to scan it or read the highlights somewhere you will find that we "hope" to be staying in some agencies and systems and be paying for the pleasure of doing so. This has got right up the noses of lots of people, and not only Brexiters.

May and the Tories will pay badly for this and we will all get a hard Brexit.

[medsec222]

Are you converted to the other side then Frank?

[cromwell]

An absolute shambles. We either crash out or cave in, as far as I can see.
The PG Tips chimps could have done a better job.

[Workingman]

No chance, Meds! I want us to Remain, but fully remain, not some half-arsed part member version.

Rumour has it that the 1922 committee now has the 48 letters it needs to trigger a no confidence vote and a leadership challenge.

Labour will be bricking it. They could win the first election nobody in history wants to win and then have to deal with whatever Brexit throws up.

I need a drink... or three - and not PG Tips!!!

[medsec222]

I wonder what Jeremy will be thinking - the closet Brexiteer.

[AliasAggers]

the Tories will pay badly for this and we will all get a hard Brexit.

They certainly will pay badly at the next election. I certainly wouldn't vote for them again.
They should be kicked out now.

[Workingman]

Not much on telly, so I have been reading comments, and they are very enlightening.

"I will now vote UKIP", "I have always voted Tory, but never again", "The LibDems are the only party to say what they mean", "Labour and Corbyn - no thanks" and many other variations on the theme.

The next GE, should / when, May fall(s), could give us the hungest of hung parliaments ever.

I might put a few bob on proper PR being introduced. Other countries have made a good go of it, there is no reason we cannot do the same.