221 years for child sexual abuse in Huddersfield

[JoM]

But Aggers most of these would have been born here in Britain, where are you going to kick them out to?

That was the point I was going to make too.

[Kaz]

Exactly! My lovely brother in law was born here, he's worked hard at a well paid job for almost 40 years, so paid in a fortune in tax! He's never even visited Jamaica ( where his dad comes from) so where would be go?

[TheOstrich]

If any of these offenders were not born in the UK, there is no question in my mind that they should be deported at end of sentence. And I hope you would agree with that.

But OK, let us assume these offenders were UK born and bred - then isn't that actually a more damning scenario? What does that tell you about (a) their particular cultural heritage (b) their extended family life and attitudes (c) their apparent non-acceptance of UK society and its standards, and (d) the actual community they grew up in?

It is only when we start addressing and challenging those questions that we can ensure this does not happen again. Crommers, however, has given cogent reasons why addressing issues like these in a forthright and meaningful way will never happen.

Now I am not going to say any more on this topic - as Aggers has already pointed out, free speech and free debate are not acceptable concepts these days, and my further views might be seen as a tad controversial!!

[AliasAggers]

It certainly is a problem that doesn't seem to have an easy answer.

I think that the only way this issue could be dealt with properly is by considerably increasing the number of policemen.

I also consider that punishments for crimes should be more severe, and that prison life should be made so horrible that
ex-prisoners would vow not to re-offend.

[cromwell]

Thank you Os.

And here's another little snippet. As I posted above, in 2002 a female Home Office researcher was screamed at and sent on a diversity awareness course for mentioning that the majority of men in the Rotherham grooming gang were Pakistanis. She was also told she must never mention their ethnicity again.

In 2018 Home Secretary Sadiq Javid uses the phrase "asian groomers" in a tweet about the Huddersfield crimes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/s ... 93486.html

And what happens? David Lammy MP and various "race equality advocates" condemn him for saying it. For "pandering to the far right" and putting ethnic minorities at risk of violence.

Just one problem - Javid spoke the truth.

So it's quite easy to see that the desire to shout "You can't say that!", to suppress and intimidate debate on the subject, to supress an inconvenient truth, is still strong in the corridors of power. "You mustn't say that!" in 2002 and again in 2018. Nothing has changed, it seems.

If anything is putting ethnic minorities at an increased risk of violence it is the actions of people like the Pakistani groomers, not what Sadiq Javid says.

[Workingman]

A couple of brilliant posts, Cromwell. Your second one is virtually the same as one I penned late in the evening, but there is no point in us both posting the same thing.

David Lammy is a slimeball and he and is actions and words epitomise why we have travelled the road we have. He and his ilk foisted multi-culturalism onto the public and adamantly refuse to accept any responsibility for its failings.

To accuse Sajid Javed of pandering to the far right when all he wants to do is get things under control is the height of hypocrisy.

[Suff]

But Aggers most of these would have been born here in Britain, where are you going to kick them out to?

They may have been born here but their parents were not, nor Uncles' Aunt's and a whole host of others. Husbands to daughters, wives to sons. There are an "awful" lot of people who could lose their citizenship and be ejected from the country.

The rest? Simple. We build new super max prisons and we put them in there, for the rest of their lives, without parole, ever!

You may think this is extreme, right wing and over the top. I think that the systematic abuse of even one girl, to the point of suicide, warrants all this and more. I'd hang them if I had my way but, sadly, I don't. The interesting point is that if they did this in India or Pakistan they would be hung.

I'm not going to hold my breath though. The rights of the abusers must be upheld at all costs. Regardless of the consequences to the innocent. Such is life today.

[Workingman]

They may have been born here but their parents were not, nor Uncles' Aunt's and a whole host of others. Husbands to daughters, wives to sons. There are an "awful" lot of people who could lose their citizenship and be ejected from the country.

And that is the point, but we will not.

Windrush issued in people who were Christian in belief, and spoke English. I attended school with many of their offspring and we were 'colour blind' and got on well.

The second wave was from the sub-continent who could not speak English and who brought in alien cultures and religions.

We are now reaping what David Lammy and his mates sowed.

[cromwell]

Thanks Frank. I was so mad when I saw that hound from the council coming out with such rubbish and then refusing to answer questions I had a good long google on the subject of grooming, just to get the evidence to show that what he was saying just wasn't true.