The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

[Workingman]

Before going off on one please hear me out.

MPs have just defeated government over no-deal preparations and their financing. Twenty Conservatives rebelled. This means that spending over a certain (unpublished) limit has to go before parliament - more delays when time is short.

On the 15th MPs vote on May's deal. When that falls May has few options to take us forward and she only has 21 days to do so, but none of them are likely to pass muster:

* A second referendum
* A managed no-deal, but nobody know what that is and the EU would have to agree
* Indicative votes where all forms of Brexit are voted on to see if one wins outright
* A free vote in the hope that with whips withdrawn MPs will change their minds

They would all take time to prepare - time we do not have.

That leaves revocation of A50 as a possibly option.

OK, here goes. Revoking A50 must NOT put an end to Brexit and that needs to be made abundantly clear. If it is not we are likely to have serious riots up and down the country. The police and armed forces would be overwhelmed. A date for the new process to begin has to be set and put on statute.

There must only be two campaign groups, one 'for' and one 'against' whatever question is posed and with both funded solely from the public purse. Ideally they would be cross-party set-ups.

They would sit 'in camera' during the time it takes to produce a campaign and a manifesto. The manifestos would then go before a cross-party committee of MPs to verify their legality and once passed they would become legally binding.

A referendum would be held after a four week campaign period with the media limited to reporting a day's events without pontification or speculation. During this time there would be no polls, and in addition there would be no media reporting in the final week.

The result will be written into law and be legally binding.

[victor]

and if Leavers don't like the outcome??

[Workingman]

They will probably go back to doing what they have done for the past 45 odd years - agitate for another referendum. It is their right.

It is also the right of Remainers should they lose.

I guess that in order to stop the ping-pong a law will eventually have to be passed to put a time limit on proceedings.

[cromwell]

It's a thought. But what does make me laugh is MP's insisting that "democracy is an ongoing process" as a justification for another referendum.

Remainer MP's have little interest in democracy, otherwise they would have accepted the result of the first referendum. If another referendum returned a verdict of remain, their interest in democracy being "an ongoing process" would end right there! At that point nobody would be insisting louder than them that "the will of the people" must be obeyed!

The last two years have been terrible. They have just shown what a divided country we have become, and I don't see that this will change anytime soon.

[Kaz]

The last two years have been terrible. They have just shown what a divided country we have become, and I don't see that this will change anytime soon.

On that we can certainly agree! We did not NEED such upheaval and division at a time when we might otherwise finally be recovering from recession

[TheOstrich]

Ah! With this latest Commons defeat for May, the light at the end of the tunnel suddenly comes into view.

If May's deal is voted down, Parliament has said that she has three days in which to present an alternative plan to them.

The only alternative plan acceptable to the EU which can be conjured up within 3 days will be to extend or revoke Article 50. In fact, the EU doesn't even have a say in it if we opt for the latter (ECJ decision).

Despite being a confirmed Leaver, my hope now is that they revoke Article 50. I am totally sick of the whole thing. Let's go back to Square 1.

This country really now has to concentrate on more pressing priorities. Getting shot of the Conservative Party is the first. Getting shot of the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is the second. I have plenty more contenders for third, fourth and fifth place, but I won't bore you with them.

[Workingman]

The only alternative plan acceptable to the EU which can be conjured up within 3 days will be to extend or revoke Article 50. In fact, the EU doesn't even have a say in it if we opt for the latter (ECJ decision).

The problem with extending A50 is that some of the 27 might not go for it. Why? Quite simply because they cannot trust the UK not to revoke A50 in the future at a time to suit it and for its own benefit.

Given that all other options appear to be off the table it might be in the EU's best interests to force our hand - no-deal or revoke A50.

[Suff]

Despite being a confirmed Leaver, my hope now is that they revoke Article 50. I am totally sick of the whole thing. Let's go back to Square 1.

What to do the whole thing over again?

Let me ask you some questions.

1. Will the UK be less split if we trigger it again in a year?
2. Will the parliament be any less behind remain
3. Will the EU be any more willing to give us a reasonable deal
4. Can you trust the politicians to trigger A50 again when "the time is right".

A50 is a war and wars are never convenient, never clean, always very messy and never at the right time. With any war you solider on, win whatever victory you can and live with the outcome until you can make something better of it.

It would appear that remainers thought that, first, they could derail Brexit; then that they could force whatever deal they wanted. It would appear that some Leavers thought it would be easy and that our politicians would not continue the civil war that the EU has been for the last 40 odd years.

Amazing how wrong the public can be. If we stop Brexit now, we will NEVER, EVER, do it again and that means we lose what the UK is. There will be some Blair like government in the future which will accept the Euro and Schengen. It is an absolute certainty. That is what we are looking at. Complete Brexit now or become a fully integrated "State" in a USE much like California is in the US.

Those are the choices and don't let anyone else tell you anything else because it will be their "optimistic" view of the situation and not fact and reality. We have 60 years of precedent from the Treaty of Rome onwards. Ignore that and lose the UK. Understand it and stay the course.

[Workingman]

So we blunder on, do we, even though we know the order has been misinterpreted?

"Charge!" said Lord Cardigan, and onwards into the valley of death rode the six hundred.

In war it is better to regroup and live to fight another day.

Revoking A50 gives us that opportunity, no-deal does not.

[Suff]

In war it is better to regroup and live to fight another day.

Revoking A50 gives us that opportunity, no-deal does not.

And the best way to lose a war is not to defend your position. Recalling our notification may "save the day" but it won't save the next election, or May, or the Tories, or Labour.

Nobody, currently able to decide for it, wants to leave without a deal. Nobody wants to explain to the people why we let the EU divide the UK, nobody wants the job and nobody wants to win the next election outright...

Blundering along is a perception put out to try and colour the situation. We are not blundering at all. We have a deal or we have no deal. Recalling notification is not an option for any party because they won't survive the aftermath. So it won't happen. It won't happen because every MP who votes for a bill to enact it will be a marked MP by the population come the next election. That MP will be made to pay by all voters who want Brexit of all parties.

The only blundering going on here is Parliament trying to overturn the will of the people and that must not happen.