The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby medsec222 » 10 Jan 2019, 15:31

I have to agree with you Suff. All this pontification around we weren't asked this or we weren't asked that, is irrelevant in my mind. We were asked do you want to leave or remain and we were told at the time it would be binding. Those with any doubts at all should have voted remain - they had their chance, and we now need to stand by the result of the referendum. Otherwise, what good is there in voting at all if decisions can be overturned at will or dressed up as 'a people's vote'.

I have the feeling that if all concerned had accepted the result of the vote and worked together towards the best way for the UK to leave the EU, we would not be in the mess we are in today. Yes Theresa May was perhaps not the best negotiator, but the constant squabbles caused by those who experienced disappointment by the result of the referendum have been to the detriment of this county's ability to negotiate the best deal.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby cromwell » 10 Jan 2019, 16:48

Well the British establishment has now hit full stride.
Remainer MPs are continuing to do their very best to prevent Brexit whilst lying their backsides off saying they aren't. Aided by that appalling dwarf Bercow.
But what gets me really mad is - not only are they wanting to subvert the biggest Democratic vote in pur history - they want to claim the moral high ground for doing so!
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby medsec222 » 10 Jan 2019, 18:25

John Bercow has no shame. He stood there yesterday trying to make out that he is the sort of husband who wouldn't dream of expecting his wife to defer to him, but realistically, as the Speaker is required to be impartial, perhaps his wife should have respected the impartiality of his position and not put a sticker in her (his) car window, 'boll**** to Brexit. She is of course as a private individual, quite entitled to her own opinions. That said, Bercow was loving every moment of the furore.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby TheOstrich » 10 Jan 2019, 19:24

Before Christmas, Bercow was angry - and rightly so - that May pulled the scheduled meaningful vote on her Brexit deal because she knew it would be defeated. A huge chunk of Parliamentary time had therefore been effectively wasted.

I suspect that with this latest decision, there was a certain element of "pay back". Not particularly statesman-like, but I can't blame him taking the opportunity .....
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby cromwell » 11 Jan 2019, 14:16

Angry, Os?

Many people are angry that John Bercow, who as Speaker of the House of Commons is supposed to be politically impartial, is driving around in a car with a "Bollocks to Brexit" sticker on it. Saying it is his wife's car is a pathetic excuse.

I'm angry that Cameron said he would invoke Article 50 "the very next day" after the vote, and didn't. That he would "stick around through the negotiatons" and didn't.

But mostly I'm angry at our MP's. The government's pre-referendum leaflet delivered to every house in the land promised "This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide" and the majority of our MP's imo have been trying NOT to implement our decision, which was to leave.

There is a lot of anger around, and our MP's are responsible for most of it, with their lies and rampant hypocrisy.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby Suff » 12 Jan 2019, 09:09

cromwell wrote:There is a lot of anger around, and our MP's are responsible for most of it, with their lies and rampant hypocrisy.


There is also a lot of fear going around and both the UK parliament and the EU are stoking that for all they are worth.

It may be that the Brexit decision is the most damaging decision (in the short term), that the people of the UK have voted for. The UK has made more damaging decisions like letting the US win the independence war. Letting? Yes, we could have won it but we decided not to put the resources into it. However that decision was made by the King and the people had nothing to do with it.

Angry? Nope. But should I ever register to vote in the UK again, someone is going to feel the weight of my vote. I understand that the Labour MP for Lincoln got most of her majority from Students, wooed by Corbyn's lure of cancelling student loans, who openly boasted on twitter that they voted twice, once in Lincoln and once at home. The locals are plotting a comeuppance on that one as she's solidly Remain and Lincolnshire averages near 70% leave.

Expect the pain of that one to come out in the next election.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby cromwell » 15 Jan 2019, 09:33

Slightly off topic, but project fear is garhering itself for one last push. On BBC Look North last night they had an extended piece of possible food shortages in the event of a no deal Brexit. Great idea. You know what people are like when the shops are shut for one day at Christmas? They go mad beforehand, buying enough food for a month. So whilst the BBC would doubtless protest they they are telling people not to panic buy, they are in fact guaranteeing that they will panic buy. And they call Brexiteers extremists.

This piece was carried on the same day that a government minister "accidentally" got photographed with a sheet of paper sticking out of a folder which said "no deal, no food". You'd almost think it was concerted and deliberate.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby victor » 15 Jan 2019, 10:14

I hope ALL MP's will make public to their constituents which way they have voted --so they can be voted out of office if they haven't followed the wishes of the majority of their constituents.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby Workingman » 15 Jan 2019, 12:22

There were no constituency votes though they were counted as locally as possible. They could have been taken from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales to a big hangar in Cardington to be counted for all the constituency relevance they had.

Another thing to remember is that an MP represents ALL his or her constituents and that includes those who voted one way, those who voted another, those who did not vote and those too young vote. We might not like it, but that's just hard lines.
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Re: The time to revoke A50 draws nearer.

Postby victor » 15 Jan 2019, 13:10

Surely an MP has to support the majority vote?
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