Has the Indian variant peaked?

[medsec222]

I agree as well. What is the point of the majority of people locking themselves down, not socialising, not going out, hardly ever going to the shops, only to see pictures in the newspapers of people congregating at football matches, race meetings etc. Not to mention those people who visit relatives by one way or another and yet don't think they should get themselves vaccinated.

[Workingman]

It sounds good - no jab, no job - then the problems start.

There will be thousands seeking Constructive Dismissal and / or challenging JSA sanctions (three months with no benefits). Cases will go the the ECHR and / or the Supreme Court(s). The legal system could grind to a halt.

It could even lead to civil disobedience.

The government needs to tread carefully with this.

[Suff]

It needs careful implementation. But there is a clear precedent here. If you, by not taking the jab, can infect others and then those others die, then you have to have a damned good reason for not taking the jab.

We have a very clear example of this in our family. #2 daughter lives in an out of the way place in Canada. Mainly a tourist spot with little industry. One of the locals decided (as there was not barrier to moving around), that he needed a break and went to Vancouver to go skiing. When he came back he booked a taxi to the airport and back from a local taxi company.

Great you might say. Except that person was infected when he went skiing. The taxi driver became infected and died. As a direct result of that journey (track and trace). The taxi driver left behind a wife and younger children. Then the whole town was put on lockdown and people were back out of their jobs again.

So if we want precedent that everyone should be vaccinated, unless they have a clear medical reason not to be, then we have plenty around. In a global pandemic I have no sympathy for "I don't want". Tough. Get it and move on!

Right now it is a priority. My issue is that 2 or more years down the line it will be no more important than the flu jab. I don't take the flu jab but I have taken my first Covid jab and will take the second. Mainly as a public responsibility, I have no real fear of getting it and dying. I do have a real concern that I might get it and pass it on to someone who is vulnerable and they die. But I have no intention of taking it again once this pandemic is over.

So legislation to end the Pandemic? Fine. Legislation forever that I have to take a vaccine which I don't need or want and is unlikely to be of any issue once the pandemic is over? Not fine.

The thing is that if the refuseniks actually took the vaccine now, instead of getting on their high horse, then legislation will not be required. If we go the route of legislation, then it is with us forever unless repealed. Which is unlikely.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[Kaz]

Suff, I couldn't agree more!

[saundra]

What about the people who sneak into this country ilegally there must be thousands I know a lot did get the vaccine but thousands didn't
There will always be people like this to get the virus and pass it on the invisible ones

[Suff]

It looks like the answer to my OP is, no, it has not stalled. So the question is where will it go from here. Even the hexperts are saying that a third wave will not be as bad as either the first or second waves due to the volume of vaccinated people.

11k today. For those who are vaccinated, nothing to do but watch and take care.

[TheOstrich]

It looks like the answer to my OP is, no, it has not stalled. So the question is where will it go from here. Even the hexperts are saying that a third wave will not be as bad as either the first or second waves due to the volume of vaccinated people.
11k today. For those who are vaccinated, nothing to do but watch and take care.

Well, if it was 11K today, then that is right on target to match the second wave.
At this point, I wouldn't be putting any money on the experts, because I think that there is still a sufficient reservoir of unvaccinated and single dosed people to allow the Delta variant full traction. Plus the current lockdown is not as strict as the one imposed at the start of the second wave. Really, unpopular as it might be, Boris ought to get a grip on this and reverse the lockdown easing.

[Workingman]

The answer to the question posed is NO!

PHE says that of the 33,630 cases recorded in the last week data shows that 99% of them sequenced and genotyped across the country are the Indian Delta variant. We do not know what % of all cases were sequenced and genotyped but the extrapolation of over 90% of the total is not out of bounds.

Hospitalisations and deaths are creeping up, but slowly, the next few week's data will clarify things. Postponing "Freedom Day" might not have been such a bad move after all.

[Suff]

Hospitalisations and deaths are creeping up, but slowly, the next few week's data will clarify things. Postponing "Freedom Day" might not have been such a bad move after all.

Common sense really.

[Suff]

Looks like we are still on a slow burn in some ways.

22,868 new cases today. This was the border between the lower cases and 60k per day back in Feb.

That being said, 3 people died and the number of people serious-critical fell from 259 to 257. We have now tested 210 million times and that test cadence is not slowing.