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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby cromwell » 31 Oct 2022, 15:11

Actually. Labour are being quite cute here.

Sunak is trying to unite his party - the Boris backers would like to do him in like he did Boris in - and appointing Braverman is a move to try and keep the right wing of the party on side.

Should he sack her the bad blood will start all over again - and I think Labour realise this.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 31 Oct 2022, 16:11

Secure kit, as I'm sure you are aware WM, is clunky and ugly. Most humans, as opposed to security specialists, don't like that.

This has happened countless times but the most famous (Clinton), seem to have been lost to the depths of time. Even Trump had a battle royal with his security staff about his Twitter account and how he would manage it. He won that round and everyone just gave up and let him rant.

As for what the public think? It is not as cut and dried as all these polls would like to say. Yes confidence is at an all time low. No shit sherlock, throw one PM out, harass another to the point she can't do the job and so she walks, get a third in who has been rejected already.

I assure you that has done infinitely more damage than a phone hacking scandal or Braverman's latest addition to the modern world of communications within Government.

Labour are doing what oppositions do. Sticking the knife in when the other side is on the floor struggling to get up. This is OK, if they manage to get up they will be all the stronger for it. However as a ringside viewer, what they say needs to be taken with a fist full of salt. Reserved for rubbing in Tory wounds.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby medsec222 » 31 Oct 2022, 17:43

There comes a point when both Government and opposition need to stop nit picking and back stabbing and get on with running the country. They seem more intent of deposing those whose opinions they disagree with, or with scoring political points against each other. The voters in this country are heartily sick of their posturing and want the economy sorted, energy sorted, and illegal immigration sorted, which is costing almost 7 million pounds a day.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby saundra » 31 Oct 2022, 18:10

Let's just stop paying the immagration bill for 2weeks and transfer the 7billion a day to fill the black hole
Immigrants can by a dingy and go back home
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Workingman » 31 Oct 2022, 19:26

Suff wrote:Secure kit, as I'm sure you are aware WM, is clunky and ugly.

The scrambled Stornos we used airside were no bigger than the unscrambled ones used on the rest of the base. We also had secure landlines for on / off site use, they looked like any other phone - poor deflection.

The fact is that ministers should not be using open comms private phones and email to send sensitive / restricted / classified (or even more secure) information. They do have secure email and government issue phones for those things.

We know that because Braverman broke the rules on six other occasions when Home Sec and because, as she says, "[it] enable[d] her to read documents on her private phone, while taking part in meetings on her official phone. Multi-tasking to the max!

The voters want a government they can trust, be it on the economy, energy or immigration, and the polls show that this one isn't it. In the Commons Ms Braverman said the current immigrations system is "broken" and "out of control", adding: "The British people deserve to know which party is serious about stopping the invasion on our southern coast."

Well, with over twelve years in charge, the evidence is that it is not the Tories - 39,898 illegals so far this year.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 01 Nov 2022, 07:10

The public haven't Trusted a government for most of my life. At least half have been either deeply suspicious or moderately unsure. In some cases true hate like Maggie and Blair.

The MPs themselves have done most of the damage. Unrealistic and self serving expectations have done the rest.

I refuse to get on that bandwagon.

To get the government we deserve we need to start voting for candidates and not parties and that won't happen in my lifetime.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby medsec222 » 01 Nov 2022, 09:38

I have my doubts as to whether a Labour government would be an improvement on the present government. What they would do about the economy or illegal immigration is as yet unclear. They have now rounded on Suella Braverman, together with some members of her own Party, for using the term 'invasion', in connection with the influx of Albanian economic migrants who are encouraged by Albanian criminal gangs to enter this country illegally. The UK is not obligated to grant asylum to Albanian migrants and they should be promptly returned to Albania.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby jenniren » 01 Nov 2022, 13:04

Spot on Medsec.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby cromwell » 01 Nov 2022, 14:14

Trouble is Meds - our legal profession. They will tie up any governmnt in legal knots to prevent them doing anything about illegal immigration.

Albanians have worked out that they can use several excuses to claim asylim, and so they use them.

As a slightly different example a Jamaican may can claim to be gay and use that to gain asylum in the UK, because gays tend to be treated badly in Jamaica. So we get asylum seekers from Jamaica, which isn't exactly at war with anyone.

It's all a farce presided over by cowardly politicians.
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