Petrol from thin air?

[Workingman]

Complete bollocks!

My position has always been that we should stop raping and destroying the planet by all means possible, and that does mean reducing the output of CO2. However, it also accepts that we cannot do away with fossil fuels in their entirety, they will always be needed even if we all went "Cave Man" tomorrow.

96% of all the energy we create goes into keeping us alive - food, clothing, housing, industry etc. only 11% is used for road transport, and a lot of that is for transporting us to our work and also transporting our food, clothing and other goods - not all of it in cars. We really are kidding ourselves if we think that the world can go all electric and that EVs will save us. Reducing our numbers might help though.

We need an holistic approach, but the EV, windmill and solar fans have hijacked and skewed the equation. That bugs me no end.

I'll leave you to carry on deflecting and body swerving. Don't get too dizzy.

[Suff]

So when are you going to move away from fossil fuelled vehicles which produce 30% of UK CO2 emissions????

2030? 2050? 2100?

The answer you need is RTFN. It is not the answer you are giving.

UK combustion emissions cause around 13,000 premature deaths within the country every year, while an additional 6000 deaths in the UK are caused by non-UK European Union combustion emissions, according to a recent study by Steve Yim and Steven Barrett, pollution experts from MIT in Massachusetts.

It is not JUST CO2, it is dead people too, this year, next year, every year we burn Fossil Fuels in our vehicles. Whether from Oil products or from extremely expensive extraction and transition processes. The gasses these fuels produce are the same killing gasses that pumped fossil fuels produce. Mainly NOx.

Why would you not want to put all your support and effort behind moving to EV which kills nobody rather than chasing rainbows for technology that never will save anyone and will prolong the continuation of the deaths???

It would be nice to know.

[Workingman]

Why would you not want to put all your support and effort behind moving to EV which kills nobody...

I do support CO2 reduction, but your EV claim is a myth.

It is now 9:36 PM and 71% of our energy is from dirty fuels - 61% gas, 6% wood burning (Biomass) and 4% coal - less than 1% is from wind and 0% from solar. Your electric cars are using that dirty energy, day by day... just not emitting CO2 at the tailpipe.

You keep deflecting, I'll just chill.

[Suff]

And those people are still dying from NOx emitted by fossil fuelled vehicles.

Also those vehicles that charge once a week do not need to suck in this dirty energy. You assume that every vehicle has to charge at a time of day that has minimum renewables.

This is incorrect. These vehicles can use dispatchable charging to consume energy when it is available. Average UK mileage averages out at 19 miles per day. That is a required charge once every 11 days for a vehicle with a range of 220 miles. 17 days for a vehicle with a range of 340 miles. However that would be better at ~7 days using an 80-20-80 charge use cycle. I think that once every 7 days could produce a charging cycle which uses virtually zero fossil power. Or use top up charging when renewables are plentiful within that 7 day period.

Also Nuclear is still there. On the baseline.

These numbers have already been run by people far smarter than me. I can cross check the numbers but they still remain.

First you move to EV. Then you reap every single reward on the grid infrastructure upgrades. If you don't then these vehicles continue spewing out CO2 and NOx for decades after you spend crippling amounts of money on the grid. A bit like shooting yourself in the foot before setting out on a race.