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Postby Workingman » 20 Feb 2023, 10:47

Damien Green has not been selected as candidate for the new Weald constituency. The right wing Conservative Democratic Organisation (CDO) is behind this and its targeting about 60 other centrist Conservative MPs. However, this is only the selection committee decision so he could put his name forward to the wider constituency members for them to have their say. He could also decide to stand as an Independent Conservative candidate and split the vote. This has all come about because he / they did not support Johnson.

Meanwhile Pinocchio has stuck his bulbous nose into the current NI protocol talks saying that to ditch / modify "his" protocol would not be right. With that he and his mates, the Spartans, ERG and other odds and bods on the right have claimed that about 100 of them will vote against any bill brought before parliament. Unfortunately for them the opposition parties have said they will support any bill.

It is now looking that the Conservatives are a seriously split party, and that is not a good look come voting time for the electorate. Think of Labour under Michael Foot and the Militant Tendency v the more moderate wing of Smith, Kinnock and Blair. It eventually led to the Social Democrats breaking away and forming a new party. Labour were unelectable for four genral elections.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Suff » 20 Feb 2023, 19:08

Regardless of the fact that he was one of May's core team, this is the result of his own actions.

I told you at the time and you did not believe me. Anyone who works to unseat a sitting Tory PM is for the chopping block come selection time. It may not be the next election or even the one after, but their card is marked.

This is only the first and we may not hear about them all.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Workingman » 20 Feb 2023, 19:54

So where were all those on the chopping block having, through their actions and votes, forced May to resign? Or Cameron?

Oh, that's right, it only happens when the hard nuts' pin up boy is unseated.... even though that was his own fault through his actions and deeds.

I hope that all this vindictiveness comes back to bite the Cons, and I am not alone.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Suff » 20 Feb 2023, 22:45

Workingman wrote:So where were all those on the chopping block having, through their actions and votes, forced May to resign? Or Cameron?


That was the part about "It may not be the next election or even the one after that". But grudges will be held.

May effectively lost an election. Then lost control of parliament and almost lost control of Brexit altogether. She buried herself but those who ran amok in parliament will meet their comeuppance in time.

Boris regained what control he could of Brexit (given the lack of any majority), won an election with outstanding numbers then was stabbed to death. Forget in the back, all over. There is a fairly significant difference.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Workingman » 21 Feb 2023, 09:50

Oh sorry, I forgot that the lying, cheating, philandering, egotistical narcissist, St Boris the Incompetent, he of the non-slip halo, can do no wrong in the eyes of the Monocled and Blue Rinse brigades, as well as a few other strays and odds and sods.

And let's not forget that he did prove to be quite a surgeon when cutting out Rudd, Grieve, Hammond, Letwin and others in order to get his own way when it suited him.

But it is not about him, it is about the hard nuts on the right who want to clear out centrists and One Nation Tories from the party. That would make it as unelectable as Michael Foot's Labour, as I mentioned earlier. Do remember that the overwhelming majority of the electorate are not extreme left or right; they are of the centre - if only slightly left or right. With a bit of luck Reform will stand, that would also take votes away from Tory boy / girl, even those of the centre.

It is long before time that those in the centre took back control, unfortunately they are not driven like the far right, nor do they have the organisational skills. Shame.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Suff » 21 Feb 2023, 12:18

Boris is neither an angel nor a devil.

Attempts to portray him as either are misguided. Those like Green who acted to save their own ass are going to be the first to go.

Whilst you might not think so over the last few decades, Politics is run by parties whose job it is to support the manifesto and support the ministers.

Now those who decided that this was secondary to self preservation are finding that there are consequences.

In party politics terms this is to be expected. If it were not done the Conservatives would never be able to govern again.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Workingman » 21 Feb 2023, 14:19

Suff wrote:Politics is run by parties whose job it is to support the manifesto and support the ministers.

Oh my Lord, I needed a good laugh! :lol: :lol: :lol:

That will never happen until manifestos become legal documents instead of wish lists. Go look over the last three Conservative manifestos to see how much was ditched by those Conservative MPs "supporting the manifestos and supporting ministers".

But that's deflection. The parties within the (Conservative) party are now at each others' throats and no amount of deflection can hide that fact. Ignoring it could mean that the Conservatives might not be in power for a long time.

I blame Jeremy Corbyn.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Suff » 21 Feb 2023, 15:23

Workingman wrote:I blame Jeremy Corbyn.


What by making it too easy for the Tories? I agree.

The Tories are on self destruct. However this deselection is one of the mechanisms to remove that self destruction. Not the other way around.

That is not deflection.
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Workingman » 21 Feb 2023, 23:09

Doule post!
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Re: Let the in-fighting begin.

Postby Workingman » 21 Feb 2023, 23:11

The Corbyn thing was a bit TIC as when crticism is made of the Tories the response is often to "think how bad things would have been under Corbyn". :D
Suff wrote:The Tories are on self destruct.

Well, if your party wants to rip itself asunder it would be remiss of me to try and stop it, but don't say I didn't warn you.
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