U turns

[victor]

Starmer must be getting giddy with all these u turns






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[Workingman]

Starmer: living rent-free in your head, Vic!?

He has a policy you do not like, so that makes him "useless".

He listens to concerns from all sides and makes changes, and that also makes him "useless".

Maybe (Pork Markets "crash the economy" emergency budget) Liz, or the absent St Nige of Clacton are more to your to your taste?

That's super rich, Nige (beer supping man of the people) who is going to be the next PM, according to Sky's fantasy poll: 271 seats, down from 362 the other week. If that trend keeps going he could get 5 MPs... oh wait.

[medsec222]

Sir Turnalot is spinning like a whirling dervish - whether this is the effect of his U turns is somewhat debatable. He appears to be very unpopular amongst his own supporters and MPs so perhaps if he spins like a top he will avoid the queue behind him waiting to stick the knife in.

[Workingman]

... perhaps if he spins like a top he will avoid the queue behind him waiting to stick the knife in.

Possibly, Meds, but isn't that true for all the main parties or even the irrelevant ones, like Greens or Reform Ltd? Kemi with? Ed with? An unknown with? Nige with?

The country is lacking in quality politicians, not that Nige is one, he's just a spiv.

[medsec222]

I agree Frank. The quality of those who represent us definitely seems to have declined.

But I watched Sir Keir earnestly informing the public on television this afternoon that the Government had to get this proposed Welfare Reform Bill absolutely right and he had been consulting with colleagues to ensure that it does. Really - is that what he has done. Over 120 MPs were threatening to vote against this Bill which left him the choice of risking defeat or watering down the bill to accommodate the rebels. Naturally Sir Keir gave in to save humuliation, but spun a fine tale, just like many others who have gone before him.

The Conservative, Labour, and the Liberal Party have all had their chance at government, unsuccessfully it would appear, as the trend seems to be on a downward trajectory.

You mention Nige, the Spiv. He could hardly do any worse that what we have had to put up with over the last decade and a half. It remains to be seen whether the Reform Party can improve the lot of its working class voters or whether it will sink into oblivion.

[victor]

He only "listens" when he realises that the voters turned against him in the recent elections or when his own MP's turned against him on the welfare issue.
What next I wonder,will the vote still go against him on Tuesday .
What's the next u turn gonna be?
Far from living in my head ,I am not sure if he's living in the real world

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[cromwell]

You mention Nige, the Spiv. He could hardly do any worse that what we have had to put up with over the last decade and a half. It remains to be seen whether the Reform Party can improve the lot of its working class voters or whether it will sink into oblivion.

I wonder. Is Reform what they call "managed opposition"?
I ask because as soon as Rupert Lowe started talking about "remigration" (encouraging ethnic minorities to go home), thirty seconds later he was thrown out of the party.
As attitudes outside Westminster harden, Farage's attitude seems to be softening.
So, I will probably vote Reform at the next ge, but with low expectations.

Fully agree with the decline in the quality of politicians. You may or may not have agreed with Thatcher, or Benn, or Michael Foot,or James Prior, or Denis Healey, or any number of others, but they were people of substance. Today's HoC is more like a student's union.

[Workingman]

Today's HoC is more like a student's union.

Another thing we have lost, stemming from that, is robust interviewers along the lines of Ludovic Kennedy, Robin Day and Jeremy Paxman. Today's mob seem to only want to invite politicians in for a cosy chat and so we learn nothing. Mind you, any that do press too hard get moved on never to be seen again.