Alan Hemming

[Suff]

I find this piece, from a guardian article, very enlightening.

Film-maker Bilal Abdul Kareem, who helped in the negotiations when he was first captured, also accused Cameron of not doing enough to help. He added that Isis knew the strength of opposition to the murder, but chose to "spit in the Muslims' eye to show them who is boss".

He revealed that a representative of al-Qaida had appealed to the fighters holding Henning to let him go just four days after they picked him up. "Nobody outside of Isis thought this was a good idea. Nobody thought that it was OK to do this," he said. "The al-Qaida representative went to go down and try to talk to them, and [when] he returned his face was different. He said something to the effect that these guys are really being difficult, really being tough, but they did say they were going to release him. Everybody was anticipating that but that never happened."

It says everything I though was going on.

It seems to have had one positive impact though.

That bolded statement is very important to me. Who do they think they are? Because the Moslem's don't see them as belonging. Or maybe that's the moderate Moslem's...

[KateLMead]

Sad for all those British Muslims who are in this country and who are valuable members of the community. However
My friends prediction twenty years ago when he stated Islam will strive to conquer and rule the world
Seems to be pretty accurate, he stated Britain would be one of the first western countries to succumb "seems possible to me"

[Suff]

Kate, you friend falls into the same hole that many scientists do. "If all things remain the same then:".

How often, in changing circumstances, do things remain the same. Your friend predicted this in a time when people could walk the streets without fear of 24x7 CCTV coverage. Where the secret services did not have rights to operate on British soil. Where the internet hardly existed and tapping of electronic communication (phones and faxes), was very tightly regulated.

Fast forward 25 years and we've had 9/11 and 7/7. Laws, rules and attitudes have changed. Had the IRA tried to operate in the current UK environment, they would have been crushed in short order.

So we know things change. We also know attitudes change. Islam may wish to take over the UK, but it will only achieve it when >50% of the population of the UK is Islam. The more they try to change, the more the reaction from the people.

The point I was making about scientists was this one. A scientist, much trumpeted in the DM, stated that, 5,000 years from now, we would grow longer thumbs because of texting. I wonder how he thought that people would text on their Google Glass? Or their Apple Watch? Voice interfaces change every week. Neural interfaces are already being experimented with. In the next 100 years, let alone 1,000, we will see direct neural interface to the brain.

Nothing remains the same and attitudes of people can change radically. Witness the US camps with Japanese US civilians in them during WW2. The greatest democracy in the world (so they say), taking their own people prisoner and putting them in camps.

The times and the pressures of the day drive the actions. Islam may wake up one day to find the world has turned against it. THAT Jihad may be more than they can take or survive.....

However your friend was right about one thing. The (modern), British wish for the world to love them and think they are fair is only going to see the destruction of British society. However, were an older Britain to rear it's head, then he would be sadly wrong. Because we aspired to be the best in everything, whether viewed as good or bad from without.

[Workingman]

Where are all these 'moderate Moslems' then?

I have heard a few words from the Quilliam Foundation that the Libyan jihadis are different from IS jihadis - Jihad Lite. I have also heard 'Community leaders' in Rotherham making reluctant apologies for the few 'bad apples' in their midst.

By not speaking out, by not taking to the streets in protest, these so-called 'moderates' are tacitly supporting IS. They, of course, will be the same moderates who took to the streets to protest at some porcelain pigs on a window sill, or a billboard poster near a Mosque of a model showing a shoulder as she advertises a perfume..

The reason ISIS "spit in the muslim's eye" is because ISIS believe they are the pinnacle of God's chosen ones. And as for this: "Nobody outside of Isis thought this was a good idea. Nobody thought that it was OK to do this," he said. "The al-Qaida representative went to go down and try to talk to them, and [when] he returned his face was different."

That would be the peace corps of Al-Qaida, would it? Or is the same Al-Qaida who also does beheadings, along with the Taliban and Al Nusra?

[TheOstrich]

I find it interesting, (and Mrs O has picked up on this as well), that the British Moslem community can't issue any pronouncement condemning the murder of Alan Hemming without there being some reference in there to the fact that they are a demonised, persecuted minority in the country, and intrinsically this is ultimately all our fault.

Chicken / egg springs to mind.

[Kaz]

Quite