Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine

[TheOstrich]

My appalling local TV programme BBC Migrants Today led tonight with pictures of Muslims praying in the Balsall Heath Mosque and a plea from one of the senior people that we should not let it divide the community. The report on the Birmingham University French student organising a Je Suis Charlie vigil in Centenary Square came a good second ....

Worth noting the BBC apologistas have not changed their tunes.

I'm also very unhappy at the prominent BBC main news featuring Christian leaders showing solidarity with the Muslim leaders in France, but for a different reason. These Protestant Church apologistas are appeasers just like their forefathers who saw nothing wrong with the rise of Hitler in the 1930's. They will not condemn the wolves at the door - despite what ISIS have done to the Christian communities in Syria and Iraq. And the Sultan of Brunei passing a law stating Christmas should not be celebrated. I don't buy this "the terrorists are not true Muslims" angle. They ruddy well are.

[Workingman]

We can't unite with the peaceful Moslem communities until they condemn the attacks.

And that is patently not happening. Yes, the Quilliam and Ramadhan foundations are denouncing the attacks in Paris and elsewhere, but they are very Middle Class foundations whose members live in the leafy suburbs. They do not represent Moslems in places such as Glodwick, Oldham; Girlington and Manningham, Bradford; or Sparkbook and Washwood, Bimingham.

In those places Eric Pickles would be hard pushed to find his peaceful Muslim Communities. He, and others, need to wake up. There is a huge fifth column of potential terrorists in the UK and Europe and it is time to let them know that we know that they exist. If that means deporting a few, so be it.

[moondancer]

What I cannot understand is why there doesn't seem to be any form of condemnation of
these atrocities from the Muslim communities in this country. How are we to take that?

There has actually been a lot of British Muslim condemnation of these attacks.

[Workingman]

There has actually been a lot of British Muslim condemnation of these attacks.

Has there? Where has it come from? Has it come from Moslem communities in British cities or has it come from the likes of the hardly representative Quilliam and Ramadhan Foundations?

I am listening, but I am not hearing much.

[cromwell]

The BBC would be unbelievable if they weren't so predictable. Warning again today of Muslims terrified of attacks "from the far right" (at the mention of the far right we all have to hiss and boo, presumably). It was exactly the same after the Rotherham scandal report; BBC Look North going on about the local Muslim community being "terrified of reprisals". Apparently some people had yelled abuse at some Pakistanis in the street.

Excuse me, who has just committed murder (again)? Yet the Muslim community is being portrayed as innocent bullied victims. It's insane.

The BBC's view of race relations is anchored circa 1971, where it is always the National Front marching down the street flying Union Jacks and beating drums, as the innocent Asian shopkeeper cowers behind his bolted door.

They aren't a news service, they are a propaganda service for the liberal point of view.

[Workingman]

It looks as though there has been some sort of conclusion for the French.

Watching it all unfold it appeared to be a set of "Shoot to kill" operations carried out simultaneously and I can imagine the orders being to save as many hostages as possible, but to take no prisoners.

[Suff]

Personally I'm wondering why this has not been reported widely in the press.

That statement is a testament to their recognition that this was an act of barbarism in the name of the faith which is the root of their society.

Naturally, and unfortunately discussion will now fall on the right to intentionally publish hurtful material that denigrates religious figures and traditions. But however offended we may be, the ultimate denigration of our faith comes from these murderers who have unjustifiably taken life.

Honestly, you cannot say much fairer than that and I'm always the first to applaud those who can recognise when some idiots have caused such damage to them and the view of their religion. In terms of condemnation it is absolute and also recognises that, in the short term, tempers are going to run high (with provocation) and that they request the members of their faith step back from conflict and allow the expressions of grief to run their course.

I might have liked them to make a statement about radicalisation of youth in Britain and the dangers, to everyone, of that and to be vigilant in stopping it and reporting it. However I doubt that this incident alone would elicit such a reaction. Perhaps, over time, they may realise that if they do not do this, then eventually they will become a pariah.

However my biggest issue is why was this not front and centre in the press???

On the other foot, articles like this are stupid and need to be eradicated. When society demands that every person, every faith and every country apologise for the slightest slight, prior actions of previous generations and any true act of barbarism, why the hell should Islam get a free ride? There are almost as many Moslems as there are Christians. Therefore the burden of acting in a responsible way in society is equal.....

[Suff]

Watching it all unfold it appeared to be a set of "Shoot to kill" operations carried out simultaneously and I can imagine the orders being to save as many hostages as possible, but to take no prisoners.

You can pretty much bet that there will now be a "shoot to kill on sight" policy for any middle eastern or Indian subcontinent looking person holding arms. French Police are armed normally, so their level of weapons and visibility of those weapons will rise. It is unlikely that any policy of "talking them down" will be in place. If the shot is available they'll take it and ask questions later.

This may lead to some tragic accidents in the near future. It is not just the general population who need to be careful in the next few months, the Islamic community will also need to be very careful not to look as if they are constituting a threat.

It will be interesting when I transit Paris next weekend to see if the Army patrolling the train stations (as they normally do), will have magazines on their weapons or not. Normally they don't and I, being trained in weapons handling, always notice that immediately.

[Workingman]

Mr Fisher, author of your second link, Suff, has forgotten one rather large piece of evidence against his rant and it is this: All of these atrocities are being carried out in the name of Allah or Mohammed or Islam.

The evidence is out there in the "selfies" they take, their glossily produced films of beheadings, the flags they carry, the websites they put up. All done in the name of that religion of peace and love: Islam.

Some of the apologistas would like us to believe that they are cranks and few in numbers and are acting against Islam, Mohammed and Allah. If that is the case then why are Muslims not out on the streets in their millions condemning the barbarians? They would be, have been, out in murderous force if a non-Muslim were to draw and print a cartoon.

The conclusions for their invisibility have to be that, at best, they are not that concerned and, at worst, that they are in agreement with the actions of the barbarians. It is their lack of protests that lead us to question where their true loyalties lie and why some of us guess that we already know.

[KateLMead]

I see Dave Cameron has condemned the attack on twitter

What sort of Prime Minister do we have, who spends his time farting about on Twitter?

A TWIT AGGERS.....