Calais to become an EU problem?

[Workingman]

Both the UK and France have asked other EU nations (key word) to help solve the Calais crisis because it is now a "global migration crisis". Better late than never, eh?

There are few details apart from us bringing in rules stop support for asylum seekers and to deport failed asylum seekers, known to us normal people as "bogus asylum seekers" or "illegal immigrants".

If we start deporting them to the last port of call, France, and the French do the same to Italy, Greece and Spain, and they send them back to wherever, we might eventually get some sort of EU border control worthy of the name.

[Aggers]

Here's hoping.

[Suff]

Apparently they get documentation in Greece and Italy which they then use to get to Calais. They then destroy the documentation under the assumption that they can't be sent back.

Time to be a lot harder. This time the people at Calais are a very different sort. They don't care who sees them and they don't care what they destroy to get what they want. Neither we nor the French want people like that.

We'll have no more success making it an EU problem than the Italians did. Those who are not affected will not want to be involved.

[cromwell]

It is a Europe wide problem so you would think the solution has to be Europe wide too.

Trouble is that the whole EU has got too soft. These "migrants" aren't going to go away and the problem is an ongoing one now and into the future. The only answer to keeping them out is force; and as I say the whole EU (including us) have become too soft to use force.

[cromwell]

I have just seen a bloke on Sky news who sums the uselessness of our decision makers.

He said that there will need to be "a meeting" with "our European partners" to discuss "the pressures driving this mass migration".

Great. We'll all have a nice meeting to talk about things - the politician's solution to everything.

Let's save him a bit of time. The pressures driving mass migration are:-

1) Europe is rich.
2) Africa isn't.
3) The population explosion in Africa means there are a lot more people than there are jobs, infrastructure, housing and prospects.
4) Point 3 above means that this is the start of a problem that is going to be ongoing for decades, not "a problem that will last all summer" as our PM would have it.

But no, let's have a meeting to discuss why it's happening. In fact let's have lots of meetings.

[Aggers]

I do think that, at last, our politicians are beginning to grasp the problem.

Whether they have the capability or guts to do what is necessary is another matter.

[Weka]

If they were coming to Australia they are placed in detention centres where there refugee status is assessed. If they are intercepted on the boats it is done outside of Australian boarders and they are diverted to a naru, a small pacific island nation and processed there, in detention camps. That way they dont step on Aussie soil. Therefore have no claim to Aussie. Instead Aussie pays naru to deal with the problem. They cone from Africa, Sri Lanka, etc via Indonesia. NZ is just a little to far for their boats to get to... For now.

[Workingman]

Unfortunately Europe does not have any island nation states in the Med that are not part of the EU, so the Aussie plan would not work. It does, however, have navies with landing craft and these should be used to intercept the boats, take the people off and land them back on a N. African beach, and then destroy the illegal immigrants' boats.

Also there is a piece of news form Sky, which is a bit of a blow for the bleeding heart brigades. A voluntary aid worker has said that the traffickers' price for an attempt to get to the UK has gone up from:

€500 (£351) for people to open a truck and to close the door on them and choosing their truck. Now it has gone to €800 (£562) or €1,100 (£772)

Which begs the question as to where these "poor" people are getting their money from. It also shows the inefficiency of the French police. There are plenty of videos showing people entering lorries, so those people can be traced, arrested, jailed and then deported. The vast majority of traffickers and illegals are living in two camps, the Jungle and the New Jungle.

[Suff]

It's at times like this that it comes home to us that the Police area Political Force which carries out the will of the government.

These people are not a threat to the French, they are a threat to the Brits. As such, the full power of the French law will not fall on them. They are breaking the law just being there. Everything else they do on top just adds to that illegality. But because we have removed the "Illegal" from Immigrant, we can't treat them the way they should be treated.

Fortunately for us it's Cameron in power and not Blair....