And the message on immigrants changes

[Workingman]

According to the BBC's Jenny Hill, ex Look North, the German Interior Minister is not exactly against border controls being reintroduced.

And why not? They do not prevent Schengen and the free movement of EU citizens/workers, they just check out the rest of the world's peoples who have made it to the EU. Go for it!

[TheOstrich]

The BBC's reporting of it is a disgrace. Talk about tugging at heart strings.

The Guardian are at it also:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... fugee-help

But note that Sayid (nom-de-guerre) was quite happy to criticize his benefactors' 20 yo daughter, saying she should be married and should cover her hair. That's the sort of immigrant that wants to get into this country .....

Coming soon to a town near you - oh wait, Crommers, apparently he's already made it to Wakefield!!

[cromwell]

Oh hooray,I'm so glad. Actually I'm surprised, we seem to be getting mainly Eritreans lately, not Syrians. Still, as long as it's someone from another culture pitching up telling us how we should be living our lives I don't suppose it matters.

[Suff]

But note that Sayid (nom-de-guerre) was quite happy to criticize his benefactors' 20 yo daughter, saying she should be married and should cover her hair. That's the sort of immigrant that wants to get into this country .....

Then perhaps he should be told that if he wants to become British he should be more tolerant of other cultures, less vocal and stop being both elitist and racist.

I won't hold my breath....

[KateLMead]

I wouldn't include Afghanistan in that, Suff, to be honest. I believe there are still a number of bona-fide asylum seekers from that country.

And in that category, I very much include those local British Army interpreters who have been denied the granting of asylum in this country - something I find shameful and a disgrace. As an ex-Army man, would you not agree?

A shocking terrible fact is that Afghan children who have been fostered here since childhood following arriving in UK...when they have reached 18 they are "forced" to return to Afghanistan unable to speak the language, absolutely lost and terrified and their foster parents who love them are devastated.
Nearly 200 died drowning, children as well as adults suffocated in a lorry. God Almighty " its route of death said one man and his child who thankfully arrived safely."

[Suff]

Nearly 200 died drowning, children as well as adults suffocated in a lorry. God Almighty " its route of death said one man and his child who thankfully arrived safely."

I'm totally with you there Kate. If you make that kind of commitment to the children, then you make the commitment for life. That is absolutely unforgivable.

As for those flooding over the border? They constitute Afghans too. So we're going to take them and let them live in the UK but we're going to send the children back??

Talking about these routes of death and dragging children through this kind of danger. Most of these people have passed by safe havens. They have spend a LOT of money to get there. They are bypassing safety on the basis that they can make more money in the EU. They don't want safety, they want comfort and the riches.

Sorry but I decline. The UN and the EU talk as if we not only encouraged these illegals but even paid them to come. As if it's our responsibility to take anyone who breaks the law, bypasses safety and goes for broke trying to get as much out of the EU as possible.

Honestly and it's been said here before, if you won't fight for your country then go live in a camp because we don't want you. Their country is being torn apart and they run away? Clearly they don't think their life is their own responsibility. They think that they can leave their responsibilities behind and make us responsible for them.

Again I decline.

Dead women and children? I blame the men who led them there. I don't blame us at all. I have nothing but contempt for someone who would drag their wife and/or child through that just for an economic start instead of shelter and having to, perhaps, wait a few years before starting again.

Not impressed and people need to start thinking the same way. Otherwise they'll just bring the slum and the war to us. As I won't run away my preference is to not have the war in the first place...

[Workingman]

Sorry, but those from Afghanistan can go to Iran, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan or Uzbekistan. They all border Afghanistan, as does Pakistan.

Syrians can pass into Jordan or Turkey.

All of those places are safe-havens. The migrants have no legal right to go anywhere else.

In the case of Syrians there are some 9 million supposedly displaced within Syria or Lebanon, Jordan or Turkey. They represent about 3/7 of the total Syrian population. That is rather lot of people who are against Assad and his enemies.

As for the Africans, most of them are not fleeing conflict, they just want a new life.

It is time our politicians woke up and realised that these tsunamis of humanity have to be stopped at source. We need more carrot, help them to stay at home; and stick, turn them back with no questions asked.

[Suff]

It is time our politicians woke up and realised that these tsunamis of humanity have to be stopped at source. We need more carrot, help them to stay at home; and stick, turn them back with no questions asked.

Sadly we need a lot more stick and carrot applied at home instead of rescuing illegals from the sea and bringing them to the EU. Especially since growing numbers of these people are coming from Pakistan. Which, to my knowledge, is neither at war not so poverty stricken that people can't eat. What they are escaping is hot temperatures, hard work and a low return for their labours. They are trying to take from the EU instead of building something for future generations at home.

To be brutally blunt. We went through the pain and the work and the wars and everything else to get to where we are. Those who don't want to build that at home should not be allowed free pass to what has taken multiple generations of our blood.

And I don't apologies for that sentiment at all.

[medsec222]

I couldn't agree more with you Suff. We fought fiercely for the right to our own country at a cost of many lives. Why aren't these refuges fighting for their countries as we did. I dread to think what our country will be like in twenty or thirty years, I won't be around then, but I would hate to think that the values we hold dear and fought so hard for could be pushed aside by newcomers who will impose values of their own.

[cromwell]

Population of Pakistan in 1973 - 64 million.

Population of Pakistan in 2013 - 182 million.

The fact that Pakistan produces way more people than it can possibly support is not our problem - it's theirs.

I listen to the news and I just want to put my head in my hands. All you get is the bleating that these people are just "searching for a better life". Yes, a better life for them and a worse life for us!