Should we accommodate them

[Osc]

Frank, I agree with everything you say, and also Suff about the way we are being emotionally blackmailed. For every child on his/her own, there are 10 - 20 - 30 who are late teens/early 20s trying to pretend they are children, and they are all young men who have another agenda entirely. Time to draw a line, however belatedly.

[KateLMead]

I have stated. That those pretending to be "Children" should sent back from whence they came no question of allowing them to come in or gain entrance removing them is virtually an impossibility"..we see the tribes ISIS supporters openly declaring their intentions in this country of ours, moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out.. Yet Jihadists Hate Preachers openly showing and preaching their hate and intention . 'And they are given the freedom to do so.!!!
"Their Human Right". We can all predict what we see in the future "and is isn't comforting.

[Workingman]

Kate, excuse me but I am confused.

On one hand we are to let 'orphans' in, but we do not know their age. Is there one below which they will always be innocent, or is there one where they will grow out of being potential terrorists? History says that they will always be a threat.

Then we have already let in 'hate preachers' who should be removed. And they are given "the freedom to do so.!!!" and "we see the tribes ISIS supporters openly declaring their intentions in this country of ours." So we should let more of them in to become, as you say, "Jihadists Hate Preachers openly showing and preaching their hate and intention . And they are given the freedom to do so.!!!"

Sorry, Kate, but I want to avoid all of that, and if it means removing jihadists, hate preachers and potential terrorists I am all for it. Not letting them in, no matter their age, would be a good start.

[Aggers]

This certainly is a massive problem, and what the answer is I just don't know.

But I do think that there are now too many people in the world.

I have a little Year Book that is sprinkled with little random facts.
Today's comment reads.....
It is estimated that 10% of all the people ever born are alive today.


Food for thought?
Shouldn't we put that into the equation ?

[KateLMead]

I am thinking of babies and young children not teenagers, those in their mothers arms.. Terrible situation, heartbreaking for the innocent's, I cannot imagine anyone turning their backs on them.. But then it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the English community could find themselves seeking sanctuary if things continue the way they are going.

[Aggers]

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.....But then it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the English community
could find themselves seeking sanctuary if things continue the way they are going.

Many a true word spoken in jest, Kate.

[Suff]

The point is that if we submit to the emotional blackmail of people who have left safe havens to drag these vulnerable children all over Europe, for the express purpose of blackmailing us into taking them; then we could be seeking sanctuary as we are overrun from our own idiocy of allowing ourselves to be blackmailed.

They are not coming here, illegally, because they are unsafe, they are coming here illegally because the safe place they were in doesn't offer them as much as the UK/Europe does.

That does not fit my vision of Christian Charity or Human kindness, or the lack of it in refusing them. It does, however, fit the description of emotional blackmail.

What do we think we are going to do? There are 24 million of them displaced either in Syria, Iraq or Turkey and the rest of the Middle East. Note that's the Syrians and Iraqi's. Of those who have been turning up, 75% are NOT Syrians or Iraqi's and we don't owe them one single thing. If they are living in squalor in a camp they travelled to illegally, then they have done this to themselves. I don't care if they have a small child with them, I care that millions of other small children are not put to that risk. The way to do that is to deny them what they want and send them back. Thus saving countless lives in of poor young children in the process.

It is simply moral weakness to give in to this blackmail knowing that by giving in we will risk the deaths of thousands of others who decide to take the risk with children who can't make that decision themselves. I lay this directly at the feet of Frau Merkel, all those lives lost because she couldn't see that inviting 900 thousand in would trigger 5 million to illegally enter the EU. Young children included.

I won't be barracked into making the wrong decision because the press find the one picture of a small child in the thousands of others who are systematically breaking laws and demanding to cross borders illegally for no other purpose than to prey on the society they want to get into.

No now, no tomorrow and no 10 years from now. It is Wrong and we should not do it.

Corbyn is an idiot of the first degree for even suggesting it.

[KateLMead]

I know what you write makes sense Suff as does Franks and others who write in the same vein as yourself. I probably feel more emotional due to the fact I was Homeless as a teenager with a child following my return from Germany.with 7/6d and no where to go
I was in care as a child I hated every moment being shifted from one home to the next as a rebellious youngster!
On my return to UK having escaped from violence, My daughter and I were taken in by a wonderful lady noting my distress as I sat on a bench with my daughter in my arms..She gave us sanctuary on that cold winters day..She became a wonderful friend..I managed to get a live in job caring for a man and his two children, not the best experience of my life. However I stayed in the job for six months because of his children, with the back of a chair propped under the bedroom door every night until I found another suitable position. I experienced life at its worst, and at it's best for me and my daughter,However that was nothing in comparison to the horrors we see taking place today.
in my case with determination,a failed extremely violent marriage I turned the corner and became successful, I met and married the most wonderful beautiful man who encouraged me in my studies I miss him terribly.
To buy our first home for my birthday I was presented with a Bedford Tipper intended to get rid of my agoraphobia!! ( we had formed our construction company) had twelve wonderful Irishmen working for us,For Christmas my gift was. a JCB 4. I Cooked for our crew in a hut..I drove both machines I also became successful in my own right, studying for my career, I had more than I ever dreamed possible for 59
years. What hope for these children? We worked in these countries have seen the
It was not my intention to write a little of my own mediocre life story in comparison,that has influenced my emotions and feelings of heartbreak when I observe those little ones, bitterly cold, hungry, and afraid it takes me back to my own experiences that were nothing in comparison.

[Suff]

Kate, no reason why you should not explain the way you feel. I haven't had anything like the situation you have in your life, however I've had to live with the aftermath of a violent man who kicked his wife around for 10 long years. The police would do nothing until he finally kicked one of the children and left a mark. After which he was arrested. I have a huge sympathetic support for the Zero tolerance group for violence against women, even though I've met quite a few battered husbands...

I live with the aftermath of that violence, abandonment, financial pillaging and all the rest, every single day. I can never, not once, show my true feelings when extremely angry although my body language, when mad, is impossible to hide and generates fear even though there is not one single instance to make that fear a reasonable reaction.

What I try to focus on is this. Those people were safe. They put their children through this for material gain. If you put your own experiences into the mix and think about men who demand their wives and children either follow them into danger or precede them on a dangerous journey, would you not want to stop that?

The only way tio stop that is to deny the few. Because if we do not, then the many will be at risk... If I did not fully believe that I would be exactly where you are. Having taken on 4 children from broken relationships and made them mine, completely, with all the benefits my efforts in work and income bring; I try to live as I would have others treat me. I've been poor, I've had a hopeless future, I've had to drag myself up from the depths of benefits and make a life for us all. I don't treat that system lightly because I know just how close many are to being on it and needing it desperately.

Why would I blithely hand that system over to someone who has never worked or paid for it (either by person or family), is not even a citizen and does not have my values?

Your heart does you great credit, but if we are to support our own to a future they should expect, we can't keep taking people who turn up on our border, illegally, then demand entrance for no other reason than they want to. After all, benefits in France are plenty good enough for people who are supposedly at great risk for their lives....

So why don't they register in France and start living a comfortable life?

The answers are simple. 1. they would have to learn French both verbal and written and then write all their forms and applications in French (no translation available in France). 2. The job prospects are much less in France and the wages are significantly lower, which is why property is cheaper. 3. You can't just become a French citizen after 5 years. You have to have competence in the French language, written and spoken, at a school leaver level, you have to pass a test and you have to commit to integration.

So what are we? Well we're just a soft touch which is why thousands are sitting there in squalor waiting for us to cave in.

Would you want millions of people with that attitude in the UK?

Last week I saw someone begging on the tram on the way from Edinburgh Airport. I just started at her until she went away, the clothes she was wearing cost at lest 5 times what was on my back. Once she had been from one end of the tram to the other, she then pulled her £700 mobile phone out and proceeded to have a conversation.

Is that what we want to bring into the UK?

You can't think with your heart when the consequences to our own vulnerable is so high. Just witness the syndicated Big issue sellers. Where are our own homeless? Because the only people who sell the big issue now are not native British. I haven’t given a penny to the Big Issue for more than a decade now and I used to give quite a lot.

[cromwell]

Your heart does you great credit, but if we are to support our own to a future they should expect, we can't keep taking people who turn up on our border, illegally, then demand entrance for no other reason than they want to.

I agree. There has been a lot said in the media about empathy and compassion. For these "migrants" I have neither. Why should we be expected to cater for the illiterate unemployables of the world? Is this country a dustbin?

As for the argument that they are seeking a better life, if I burgled someone's house to rob them because "I wanted a better life" what do you think the judge might say?!