Trouble in London

[Workingman]

I have just been watching a former intelligence chief on the news, re London, asking what more we can do, blah, blah, blah, the communities, blah, blah?

What more we can do? What more can the damned communities do, more like! And I ask this: How much, in simple monetary terms, are we spending to help these communities stop their members from being radicalised when it is something they should be doing themselves?

I also think that it is time the media and authorities stopped hiding behind calling these 'the community' and come straight out and say Moslems/Muslims, for that is what they are and where the problems lie.

[TheOstrich]

The police have raided three properties in Birmingham. Why am I not surprised?

Birmingham is the epitome of all that has gone wrong in this country regarding migration. The local council have done nothing but appease and bow down before the sensibilities of the minorities. The tipping point was, what, 6 or 7 years back now, when the police wanted to erect CCTV cameras around Sparkbrook and Saltley. The mosques and the local Moslem population kicked off about it - the authorities backed down and the project was cancelled. Since then we have had Trojan Horse (the Council refused to believe its own head teachers), the social services scandals, and right up to the latest incident, a month back, when an ethnic Community Relations Councillor publically castigated a primary school because their dress code did not allow a 4 yo to wear a hijab.

But Birmingham is in fact worse than all that. It went out of its way to forcibly promote multiculturalism and diversity. It trumpeted it from the rooftops. And you, dear pleb, were not allowed to say anything that ran contrary to the official line, certainly not if you were in a job which was overseen by the Council, i.e. education, social care. If you were a Council employee, you'd regularly be sent on a diversity seminar. Dissent was howled down; the local newspaper pointedly and enthusiastically trumpeted the party line.

And so what do we now have? Birmingham is acknowledged as the terrorism hub of England.

As far as I am concerned, a Brummie by birth, it is a pariah city in which I take no pride, and which I disown.

[meriad]

I do not want to kick all foreigners out, far from it, but I would not hesitate to remove those who adamantly refuse to obey our rules, laws and culture while attempting to impose theirs on us.

100% agree... if you move to a country, then you should abide the countries laws and learn the language, contribute to society and do your best to fit in. If you're not willing to do that, then you shouldn't be there and you should move to a country that fits your ideals.

But the London attacker was, we are told, British born

And therein lies the problem. Many of these attacks are carried out by 'home grown' people... so what does one do with them. They can't be deported, jail they can continue to cause trouble... a UK style Guantanamo Bay? Who knows. How does one stop the indoctrination they seem to welcome and follow?

It's all just a bit of a really really messed up world; so sad

[Workingman]

How does one stop the indoctrination they seem to welcome and follow?

The only way is to ban Islam and its practices, and that is totally unfair to those who follow it in a benign way, and there are many.

The religion of Islam already indoctrinates its followers to see others as inferior and to condemn them as Infidels; it is a core tenet. Once born into Islam (no choice for the infants) it is not possible to 'leave', to become an apostate, without being subject to the death penalty. You are in and you will stay in regardless of your heretic beliefs or 'we' will kill you: that is the Islamic law.

In some respects to claim some are being radicalised is nonsense because in their minds they are only following the teachings of their religion - the one of peace - remember? We, our weak politicians and our PC overseers, have created the mess we find ourselves in today.

Reap what we sow, and all that.

[AliasAggers]

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The religion of Islam already indoctrinates its followers to see others as inferior and to condemn them as Infidels; it is a core tenet. Once born into Islam (no choice for the infants) it is not possible to 'leave', to become an apostate, without being subject to the death penalty. You are in and you will stay in regardless of your heretic beliefs or 'we' will kill you: that is the Islamic law.
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If that is the case, they should never have been let into our country, and the sooner we get rid of them the better.

[miasmum]

but they are not let in, they are born here

[Workingman]

but they are not let in, they are born here

And that's where the problem lies. We have our politicians, big business, the media and the fluffy liberals (small L) to thank for that.

We now have a problem, and those people have no answers except, it seems, but to blame us plebs for not buying in to their multi-culti Utopian dream. It is our fault that 'the communities' are against us. You could not make it up.

[cromwell]

I have just been watching a former intelligence chief on the news, re London, asking what more we can do, blah, blah, blah, the communities, blah, blah? [/quote]

They are just running through the playbook. On cue, here come the candlelit vigils, the joint multi faith marches and the usual cliches about "we must not let these people divide us" etc etc. Well, the country is already divided and only a twit would deny it. Ten miles from where I live is Savile Town, Dewsbury. 95% plus Moslem. If it wasn't for the rain you could be in Pakistan. Urdu is the language spoken in the homes, cousins marry cousins, women rarely have paid employment. It's a closed society. I'm 61 and in all my life I've never known a Pakistani girl be allowed to go out with a white boy. It's unheard of. And you will never, ever get a mainstream politician who is willing to acknowledge this or even to talk about it.

I worked for years with a Pakistani bloke. Nice man, educated, good manners. Because he had known me so long he was quite open about saying that his children would not be allowed to marry white people. Turn that statement around and the politicians would have a field day.

I also think that it is time the media and authorities stopped hiding behind calling these 'the community' and come straight out and say Moslems/Muslims, for that is what they are and where the problems lie.

It's laughable. They would on tiptoes around the very word Muslim. The top cop the other day said the attacker was "Inspired by international terrorism". Oh please!

[cromwell]

here come the candlelit vigils, the joint multi faith marches and the usual cliches about "we must not let these people divide us" etc etc.

And bang on cue this afternoon, here comes the Archpillock of Canterbury and various other God botherers, spouting their cliches.

[saundra]

here come the candlelit vigils, the joint multi faith marches and the usual cliches about "we must not let these people divide us" etc etc.

And bang on cue this afternoon, here comes the Archpillock of Canterbury and various other God botherers, spouting their cliches.

I agree with everything here but have to say archpillock made me smile bet he wouldn't be very impressed