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Re: Labour will unilaterally protect EU citizens rights

Postby Workingman » 25 Apr 2017, 21:42

AliasAggers wrote:
Workingman wrote: I now want Brexit, even though I voted Remain.


That's interesting, Frank. What made you change your mind?

Aggers, I have not changed my mind. I said all along that I would still like us to Remain in the EU, but we had a referendum and the majority decided that we should Leave. My belief is that in the spirit of democracy we should now Leave, after all it is what we freely voted for. I also hope that had we voted Remain some Leavers would also have accepted the result.

Having said that I am also now a total Leaver - no half measures - negotiations are for later. Leavers voted to Leave. It was a simple choice on the ballot paper, but what we are now seeing is that 'Leave' apparently meant whatever the easiest, least disruptive, form of 'Leaving' was, and I cannot even begin to tell you how much I despise that.

Given the opportunity I would force Leave into the hardest of hard Brexits because that is what they voted for. I am diametrically opposed to the Gina Millers, and her ilk, who want to suspend, delay or overturn the referendum result. I want us to go full speed ahead to the crash site and then sort out the mess sometime after, as I believe that it will prove less painful in the long run.

I might be wrong, but none of us is certain of the future.
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Re: Labour will unilaterally protect EU citizens rights

Postby medsec222 » 26 Apr 2017, 08:13

Totally agree Frank. We need to get on with it now. It drives me mad when people like Tim Farron come on television and say that we didn't vote to leave the single market and we should have been asked on the ballot paper. Leavers wanted to leave first and foremost - all other considerations to be settled afterwards. What do the remainers not understand about this.
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Re: Labour will unilaterally protect EU citizens rights

Postby Suff » 26 Apr 2017, 08:46

Workingman wrote:I now want Brexit, even though I voted Remain, but I also want to work with the EU on an agreed set of rules.


WM you don't work with the EU on anything. The EU demands and you either acquiesce or you face them down. It's why EU trade negotiations can take up to a decade, they have a totally false idea of their size, power and worth. That idea is going to take a major shaking in the next two years as they lost half their effective military power and most of their long range deployable Nuclear deterrent.

I too want hard Brexit and then sort out the mess afterwards and, you know, that has a personal impact to me greater than 99.9% of the people in the UK. It is the only way. Get out, feel the pain, work the opportunities and then get back to the negotiating table when you know what the lie of the land is.

An interesting point for me is the differences between the 3M EU citizens in the UK and the 1M UK citizens in the EU. The 1M are almost entirely home owners there on a fixed basis. The 3M are almost entirely short term renters there for the opportunities.

The 1M are going to be the losers over time. But I accept that as it is in the best interests (in my mind), for the UK and my future generations.
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