Novichok source found

[Workingman]

New is out that police recovered a bottle containing the substance from victim Charlie Rowley's house. There are no details about the size of the bottle or the amount of contents within it, but it is good news that it has been found. Hopefully there are no other "left overs" knocking about the area.

Mr Rowley was known to be a forager who went out looking for discarded items to repair and sell on and it is likely that this was one of his finds. Unfortunately it killed his girlfriend and has put his life's health at risk.

There are a few things still puzzling about this whole thing, though. We have been told that Novichok is one of the deadliest substances ever produced, that is a binary weapon where two (?) relatively benign compounds can be carried quite safely before being mixed to be used, that the variant used was military grade and that it was the Russian state behind the attack.

Yet with all of that three of the four victims have only fallen ill - very ill, but not dead. Something is not quite right.

[cromwell]

It has been a very strange carry on indeed.

[Suff]

Yet with all of that three of the four victims have only fallen ill - very ill, but not dead. Something is not quite right.

Nerve agent is quite survivable with the correct treatment, in time, with the correct follow up. This is something we were taught and taught well. Given Salisbury's proximity to Porton Down, you would expect the correct antidotes to be in place.

Then it becomes a matter of time.

[Workingman]

Nerve agent is quite survivable with the correct treatment, in time, with the correct follow up..

And they can also kill within minutes - Novichok is supposed to be one of the most deadly. If you can hit the victim early enough wirth pralidoxime, atropine and possibly midazolam and diazepam they can survive.

The current victims survived for hours without any medical intervention, and that is not on the crib sheet. It is why I remain very suspicious of the whole affair.

[Kaz]

The whole thing stinks to high heaven

[cromwell]

I don't think many people believe the official version Kaz, that's for sure.

[Kaz]

No, indeed!