DUP turn the screw

[medsec222]

It would be very difficult to know who to vote for this time round. Nigel Farage deserted UKIP far too soon. He should have remained to see the whole process out. The gang of would-be leaders of UKIP that followed him was abysmal, so for me UKIP is out of the question this time. Looking back I wish we had left by way of a no-deal two years ago. I think by this stage we might have been in a far better position.

I would not change my view however, and in the event of a re-run I would still vote leave. I don't like the supercilious sneering way that these unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have treated Mrs May, who has been trying to do an almost impossible job in a polite respectful way. But she needs to show her teeth now.

[Workingman]

When I awoke this morning I was expecting that C1922 would get the last four letters sometime today,. That she is still there is amazing.

I can only put it down to a few things. The self-serving cowards in the Tories are afraid to remove her for fear of a GE. This, however, is strange as the polls have them and Labour running neck and neck. Maybe it is because they might win and nobody wants to take ownership of the post Brexit apocalypse - they will be blamed.

Another reason could be that if she goes the Tories will rip themselves apart into two rump parties of the centre right and further right, but with neither strong enough to go it alone. It must be better to stick together and put on a fake united front than lose all influence.

Meanwhile there are plenty of domestic issues needing urgent attention that have been put on a lukewarm back burner.

[TheOstrich]

It would be very difficult to know who to vote for this time round. Nigel Farage deserted UKIP far too soon. He should have remained to see the whole process out. The gang of would-be leaders of UKIP that followed him was abysmal, so for me UKIP is out of the question this time. Looking back I wish we had left by way of a no-deal two years ago. I think by this stage we might have been in a far better position.

I would not change my view however, and in the event of a re-run I would still vote leave. I don't like the supercilious sneering way that these unelected bureaucrats in Brussels have treated Mrs May, who has been trying to do an almost impossible job in a polite respectful way. But she needs to show her teeth now.

Absolutely my views too, MedSec, you've summed the whole mess up very well.

I agree, WM, I'm amazed those other 4 letters have not arrived. Perhaps one should blame Royal Mail? I'm also amazed we haven't seen any cabinet resignations today.

May must go, and go quickly, otherwise there is a strong chance that, ultimately, Brexit will be consigned to the dustbin. And if that happens, I will principally blame the insidious poisonous drip of the Arch-Remainers with vested interests like Clegg, Blair, Major, Clarke and Big Business, and the complete intransigence of the EU, who are palpably not our "friends". They have made it quite clear that we have no value to them other than as a cash cow.

We need to get out now, and then re-order our whole relationship with the EU.

[Workingman]

Ossie, I keep seeing all this guff about a People's Vote and a second ref and I am sick of it all. Neither will get what their proponents want: an end to Brexit. Even if they do get what is called for there is no provision in A50 for the EU to agree to any of it.

The only way now to stop Brexit is if the ECJ rules in favour of the cross-party appeal, and even then no UK government is going to do it.

Remainers (me) have to accept that Brexit, of some sort, is on and work with it as best we can.

[Kaz]

Frank, have you seen this? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ?CMP=fb_gu

[cromwell]

All Theresa May is doing is to let the trouble go on. As a nation we have never been whole hearted about the EEC/EU, and this Brino two-step that May is performing is just going to drag the pain out. If we end up still in the EU or as good as after voting to leave we are looking at a total and justified contempt growing at our "democratic" political system - and who knows where that will lead?
I am sorry, but I have come to regard Mrs May as being totally out of her depth here. She may be polite and she may have been treated badly by the EU, but she shows no sign of leadership.
As for John Major Kaz, he is one of those like Kinnock whom the media wheels out when they want a former bigwig to criticise their own party.

[medsec222]

And John Major stabbed Margaret Thatcher in the back when he had pledged to support her, by pretending he had a migraine rather than looking her in the eye and telling her in person who had had a change of mind.

[Kaz]

Is this about personality or policy? Neither of those points mean he is wrong about Brexit. My point being he is a moderate, and moderation seems to be sadly lacking these days.

[cromwell]

Doesn't mean he's right either Kaz!

Re the NI border.
Northern Ireland wants to remain part of the EU and UK both - so which is the most important?

We've had two years when we could have had a referendum there. Stay in the UK and there will be a hard border with the Republic of Ireland. Stay in the EU and there won't be. Which do you want? Because you can't have both.

[Kaz]

We'll, I think we all know that I am a remainer.